From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Annotating Info Pages? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:48:21 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <200904251425.n3PEPCJL010351@zogzog.maillard.mobi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240706451 12053 80.91.229.12 (26 Apr 2009 00:40:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:40:51 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 26 02:42:12 2009 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LxsRe-0004af-2w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:42:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59298 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LxsQE-0006yc-MO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:40:42 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.motzarella.org!news.motzarella.org!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 88 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX18AMkzso08EmiZc70IXhBo5K9lWzeWwlw+eAWi8AF3DU79Ym7vn7NAfp1NdCGKdvh28uBbiQzLWZHGeIFWJMU2NAsCIs+4WxeHFiRpcWgbMmtAPzONLAzuGm6s++zXN20s2nKk2YvjfCw== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:48:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19vnBNvXKF8ylR6C8ypPWuKTx/ft27nn9dNzpSwtVWCYw== Cancel-Lock: sha1:YzaNHuMHnE5psUN+UIvbjVuqDiI= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:168753 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:64026 Archived-At: Sean Sieger writes: > Richard Riley writes: > > Sean Sieger writes: > > > Richard Riley writes: > > > > I'm literally gobsmacked .... > > > > Speechless, but not? I had to look that word up---it's a relatively new > > word---I went in thinking it meant you're a poor reader and writer. > > > > > > > > No. I was wondering if you were trolling to be honest as the following > phrase from you .. > > ,---- > | > directory of each project. As stream-of-consciousness as the worksheets > | > are, and hence profuse with elipses, I have never been able to afford > | > myself the use of brackets. > `---- > > .. did not tie in with your next sentence: > > While you were wondering instead of reading, my first paragraph was > meaning something. Something very important to me. Your first paragraph was rambling nonsense in the context of discussing ipa v bookmarks. > > And my second paragraph---set off by just that, a blank line, or > paragraph and not necessarily hypotactically so, was a sincere > apology. And you accuse me and others of "poor reading"? I was referring to your desire to do away with "frustrating communication". Something you seem to be quite dedicated to pursuing for some reason known only to yourself. > > ,---- > | > And sorry about the `agression' earlier, it was an infantile wish to do > | > away with some frustrating communication. > `---- > > .. as basically I could hardly understand a word of that first part :-; > > That's what I meant about your poor reading. You know what is the > most You really need a little re-adjustment. You were rude, ignorant and basically unwilling to do any spade work yourself. It was you that couldn't see the difference between ipa and bookmarks where even a tiny amount of "reading" would have clarified it for you. So as for "poor reading" I suggest you look a little closer to home. > instructive thing I have ever heard said about reading and writing? > That strong readers are strong writers. Total and utter nonsense. As a generalisation it is patently false. > > Maybe instead of worrying about GNU/Emacs being in contention for the > strongest IDE, you should try using it for learning how to read and > write well---ostensibly, as the strongest _text_ editor that I know > of. It might surprise you in your rush to be rude, ignorant and insulting that program source generally is text. And manipulating that text with tools suitable for the task in hand is the "IDE" part being discussed and an attempt to discuss whats available and what improve Emacs as a programmers editor. > > I dread the day GNU/Emacs becomes Eclipse. No one suggested it should be "eclipse" but to stick your head in the ground and pretend programmers don't want features like completion is ludicrous. Frankly I think you're trolling, so I'll say goodbye now. regards r.