From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:40:33 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <003101c954de$f95a3000$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za> <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229388048 8026 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 00:40:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:40:48 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 01:41:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCO0V-0003Um-Mp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:41:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33775 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCNzJ-0007gr-Nx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:40:37 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!usenet238.motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX192kTMldRamjhKzaDnZD9hhrcDnFoo36ETGH7vPhCuDPRpqcbJfhL67238d8bBVm9Jbfd00zBNz625m+lxesjHKEdxBsbZB5oUXTwVZJ23fzhjjgAtiv8RIxxnvQrnCdRtuOI3WyrYcJg== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:42:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+xZC8YBGU9FF71hf3BSJdszlC67+NL8xnsG/t3jLbaOQ== Cancel-Lock: sha1:yTV6g+vyQNxBqS/2R3gqGtqdxGQ= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:165328 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60660 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman" writes: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Richard Riley wrote: > >>>> But Vim is not only installed; it's really used a lot. In Debian Vim has >>>> always been a bit more popular than Emacs but in the first half of 2007 >>>> Vim really got popular (around Vim 7.1 and Debian 4.0 release). This >>>> "used actively" graph compares vim-common, emacs21-bin-common and >>>> emacs22-bin-common packages: >>>> >>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5thmmx >>> >>> That is a bit strange since the vi emulator Viper in Emacs is now so good. >>> >> >> Not strange at all Lennart, Why would someone run the Emacs OS to run >> emulated vim when they can run the real thing in 100th of the >> footprint? > > Exactly why do you think the footprint matter? Are you serious? Memory usage, start speed, response, and all thinks linked. And with the boom in netbooks and OSen on USB sticks, emacs finds itself more and more pushed into that "heavy dinosaur" category. I'm not saying I *agree* with it, just those are my observations. Personally I detest Vi and clones.