From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Distributed Maintenance for Emacs (was: is there summary of template systems for emacs?) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:28:13 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <003101c954de$f95a3000$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229377359 8260 80.91.229.12 (15 Dec 2008 21:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:42:39 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 22:43:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCLDq-0004Gq-4R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:43:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39079 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCLCd-0005EM-Dq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:42:11 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!usenet238.motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX19JVii4bTSqyFgiKC3ptRUeyUGOEiUs1uvOYtLSl/Lo63uTrvYMurkbwGYAUGIzjfbYbqZVr9HK2bQg5mlpXHKcM85CHfIS1yTR/w2YnUKhapK+LYOZAsWchOMFXsuyAvBaQnM6bjmHUg== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:30:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1++y2Ck9uKsLX6SM7Xv9WVvpxZxpca8kIt85QBpTWoErg== Cancel-Lock: sha1:aULlylceKT5Qhvjp6xiaEmnNqjo= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:165316 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60648 Archived-At: Leo writes: > On 2008-12-14 21:37 +0000, Xah Lee wrote: >> I really feel sorry emacs's user base is dying. The most important >> thing i think is to get emacs to use modern terminologies and be >> compatible with the minimum of standard modern UI. > > Users are not scared off by Emacs's UI. It is more important its > functionality. That is incredibly naive and not a little wrong in my humble opinion. Many users are scared off by the UI. The UI is not for the faint hearted. What must be accepted is that to gain the benefits then one has to earn the skills to access those benefits. > > And in order to boost its functionality a few orders more and better, it > needs a good development model, a model that supports *DISTRIBUTED* > maintenance. Its current functionality would appear to be at odds with your views. Not that the current maintenance structure could not be improved. What can not be improved after all? -- important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday. ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations: Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970