From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs mode line suggestions Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:08:36 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <15962952-6180-41bd-abce-1b919aa55807@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <87y6ziu4rm.fsf@gmail.com> <000c01c948e5$c6189420$0ab32382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226972449 17241 80.91.229.12 (18 Nov 2008 01:40:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:40:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 18 02:41:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L2FbA-0002pp-8o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:41:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L2Fa1-00065G-Pr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:40:37 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.eternal-september.org!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!news.motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Trace: news.motzarella.org U2FsdGVkX18xSmMYVVO3lNHYYy0KON6rrT+WOBV9M0jDROm2DvZP/J/E0IXHlB2rJYOa3nKWsSmTw6eUWgO87nIGMiwTqqKetnp95qemP+z14OoEDuJNQzEWD7qiB8T0CqLXI3I0q0qe/5Z4fqC3Bg== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:09:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19ckiKUM2n3jxuaakVlC+MRKWyuj5CULWvh0h2LBKeT2w== Cancel-Lock: sha1:7iTzrHG750raCfguW2tbIfy5RNw= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:164552 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59886 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> > I did not miss your point. Perhaps you missed mine. New >> > users should be encouraged to join emacs-devel if they are >> > interested in how Emacs might be improved. That is where >> > they can give their views about it and hear from others >> > about it. That list was created precisely for that, among other >> > things. >> >> I think we are missing each others since I strongly disagree with your >> point. I do not think emacs-devel is the place for newbies to ask such >> questions. Here is. > > What does "such questions" refer to? I never mentioned any questions at all. I > certainly never suggested that newbies should ask questions about how to use > Emacs at emacs-devel. When they do so, I send them here. ;-) > > help-gnu-emacs is a _good_ place to ask questions about Emacs - that's what it's > for. I said so explicitly. Sorry to snip so aggressively but the bottom line really is "this is how it is" not "how it maybe should be if all groups were used properly". The development list/group does not feature lots of new users whose input IS important when discussing such issues. The help group does feature these users. These new users do not and generally will not subscribe to the development list since they do not realise they are in fact contributing to "development" when expressing their confusion about certain emacs idiosyncrasies. Should new development be discussed in the devel group? Of course. Does that preclude certain things being discussed in the context of help threads here in the help group? Certainly not.