From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:27:56 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <200811031125.mA3BPPZu024539@zogzog.maillard.mobi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225719646 3165 80.91.229.12 (3 Nov 2008 13:40:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:40:46 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 03 14:41:48 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kwzgh-0004ft-DT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:41:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57677 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwzfa-0000As-J8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:40:38 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.eternal-september.org!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX1/WAZb56HoZgugag1VtEWD4t5BfWmspTugpfklaGw3+8jZ1v9FK6Z0G1PyUOSams6zRn+K+sxn/YGmeNvPF+dtIgmJKNvlYgoTEw+CqmvTb4jCd0FUNceTkChNNVO6VXMbTc92Jvt+GjQ== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:28:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+F+xK7/eZB5jnMFteyrcpQYDPAMzw5/Tn/yXnhJz7q3w== Cancel-Lock: sha1:P9/jxgSP2vEeRbhlKKtshtrmJS0= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:164039 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59382 Archived-At: Paul R writes: > Dear Xavier, > > Xavier> What's more, directional keys are one of the dumbest addition > Xavier> one could have thought off (in my opinion). The same apply for > Xavier> numerical keypad: what are they useful for exactly ? Is it that > Xavier> hard to press shift+& (for the azerty keyboard) to get a 1 ? Or > Xavier> press C-b to move point left ? I do not think so. > > Xavier> The real reason that comes to mind is lazyness. People do not > Xavier> want to (take time to) learn how to do things, they want to go > Xavier> fast (even if they go fast wrongly). Keyboard (or typing more > Xavier> generally) is just an example, there are so many other applying > Xavier> here... > > This sounds sooo much like overstated elitism. You may prefer to use C-b > and C-f and S-&, because you're so good and so l33t, this will never > change the point : beginners don't, period. Default settings must help > those people, who have not yet set their .emacs, to use and try the > software and see if they like it or not. That's pretty much as I see it too. And only recently having become proficient enough with emacs once again I can attest to the difficulties involved in understanding some of the more antiquated defaults which do not take into account beginners. It takes a special kind of curmudgeon to deny that setting the arrow keys to move the cursor the same as virtually every other application in the world would help Emacs uptake.