From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:19:07 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <873ajzwoqu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <823901dd-c54c-4e3b-b6ad-512d52724a46@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <71208e97-140c-445d-8eda-1705f11b14b3@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <095ef0c0-c7f4-494d-8bf6-8a5ee43fd934@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <3c61c357-0705-4ff4-b793-fa6827415fdd@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <4fr5r5-jnp.ln1@invalid.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222872143 21997 80.91.229.12 (1 Oct 2008 14:42:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:42:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 01 16:43:21 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kl2uR-0000Px-MR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:42:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54366 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kl2tO-0008Au-P2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:41:30 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Trace: feeder.motzarella.org U2FsdGVkX1/4yqW1Yt+u0gVMIJigVqQ6PLnR6YZnKPJMCZlcHh5XTcOaPutyvMeR6ngwalHOgGkFHVNfG1smsGRAM2eiJ4H6b+PdvUmjXCmu4CFbruYnGjWanLg3kczPkJL8WKQQ+vI= Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:18:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18H0oKRp9tpiHcXbCaWUIMCT7ISioq0FlL4IXiwO5ovyg== Cancel-Lock: sha1:HvEohWItl9TN5JJnfqYgEAiBCZI= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162913 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:58254 Archived-At: stan writes: > Richard Riley wrote: >> stan writes: >> >>> Richard Riley wrote: >>>> stan writes: >>>> >>>>> Xah wrote: >>>>>> Kevin Rodgers wrote: >>>>>> > >>> The point wasn't really about intuitiveness, that of course in the eye >>> of the beholder. I certainly didn't wake up one day thinking in terms of >>> emacs chords; I had to learn them. I don't really think emacs is worse >>> than vim, wordstar, ed, edlin, or any of a dozen proprietary things I've >>> been forced to endure. I expect to have some learning, and I don't >>> expect it to match windows. >>> >>> My point was that generalizing about editor users is at best difficult >>> and most often impossible. Arguments like "people are confused" are >>> silly and not persuasive. Some are confused and others are happy as >>> clams. >> >> Only if one thinks in B&W. I think it was fairly obvious that Xah was >> not suggesting for one minute that 100% of people were confused. > > I think you missed the point here. It's not B&W it's also the grey. The > NUMBER doesn't matter. It could be all, none, or something in between. Uhm, that was my point :-;