From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 21:39:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87pmk1b5ot.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20424"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 28 06:40:36 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nuoFf-0005DG-Ul for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 06:40:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37728 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuoFe-00037A-KP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 00:40:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39148) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuoEi-00036v-RW; Sat, 28 May 2022 00:39:36 -0400 Original-Received: from c.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.80]:45058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuoEh-00044I-6F; Sat, 28 May 2022 00:39:36 -0400 Original-Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.a.apps.sonic.net [64.142.109.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 24S4dWQ4006314; Fri, 27 May 2022 21:39:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> X-Sonic-Auth: 8Ectg0vI87vqqe862eMvQEZNlJLxU82VDPVH8XUQ1PyA5Cj717m3vyJzyrUeVn9r9K5qFsAIXydUKM1iLtU+sbhqjsZorfO4eq9VsxDVmIA= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVZKDs7yh5138Fu4YEMV0uPpLTIFL7hUNjPzp3hlLlLTQec/1nLa0QEXTwkuzMLiBxTTj92V4I0fYjcmJQ034w7gH6dlkol9mvk= X-Sonic-ID: C;QuXwKkDe7BGbfOaMi47k/A== M;Kpv4KkDe7BGbfOaMi47k/A== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.80; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=c.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137440 Archived-At: The wikipedia article looks at first glance to document the alt groups correctly, as far as I recall. The key thing to alts: no central moderator, yes, but also every individual host operator had the capacity to simply not carry some. Every user had a theoretical capacity to operate their own host or to shop around for one who carried the alt groups they preferred. Of course, the whole thing being P2P, hosts upstream of a given host could choose to shun it and hosts could shop around for their choice of upstream hosts. Google used its economic power and social influence to first centralize what was left of mainstream netnews and then to kill it off. I dream of a world with a few very popular hosts and lots of tangles and tentacles of more "semi-privateish" hosts with groups that aren't big loud public broadcasts, more or less. -t On 2022-05-27 21:21, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Thomas Lord wrote: > >> I wish something like this existed but with the >> groups/moderator features (suitably updated) of >> Usenet netnews. > > Weren't there parallel hierarchies, one of which was moderated > and the other not so? Was that the "alt" thing? This was > before my time ... > > Because then on IRC one could have > > #emacs > #emacs-lamers > > LOL