org-forward-sentence moving by paragraphs, not sentences?

org-forward-sentence moving by paragraphs, not sentences?

[Roland Tarver]

Hello All!

First post here :-)  Fairly new to emacs - please be gentle with me! haha.

I am using org-mode (which is just amazing!) and I seem to be having 
trouble with moving forward and backward by sentences.

The M-e key is bound to org-forward-sentence and the M-a key is bound to 
org-backward-sentence. However, when I press these keys the point moves 
backward or forward by paragraph, not by sentence.

In an effort to exclude incorrect key bindings, I have run the functions 
using M-x org-forward-sentence and M-x org-backward-sentence. This has 
the same result - moves by paragraphs only.

These results have occurred in the org file that I am working with at 
present. Interestingly, M-e and M-a work as they should whilst moving 
through the online tutorial (C-h t). The tutorial buffer opens in 
fundamental mode. I have opened my org file in fundamental too - still 
the problem persists.

Any ideas?

Many thanks

Roly :-)

Re: org-forward-sentence moving by paragraphs, not sentences?

[Yuri Khan]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Roland Tarver
<roland.tarver@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I am using org-mode (which is just amazing!) and I seem to be having trouble
> with moving forward and backward by sentences.
>
> Interestingly, M-e and M-a work as they should whilst moving through the online
> tutorial (C-h t).

My crystal ball says you might be using a full stop and a single space
between sentences but Emacs by default expects that sentences are
separated with a full stop and a double space.

The tutorial happens to use double spacing.

See (describe-variable sentence-end-double-space) for details.

Re: org-forward-sentence moving by paragraphs, not sentences?

[tomas]

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On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:50:34AM +0000, Roland Tarver wrote:
> Hello All!
> 
> First post here :-)  Fairly new to emacs - please be gentle with me! haha.

Don't worry. Lots of civilised folks around here ;-)

> I am using org-mode (which is just amazing!) and I seem to be having
> trouble with moving forward and backward by sentences.
> 
> The M-e key is bound to org-forward-sentence and the M-a key is
> bound to org-backward-sentence. However, when I press these keys the
> point moves backward or forward by paragraph, not by sentence.
> 
> In an effort to exclude incorrect key bindings, I have run the
> functions using M-x org-forward-sentence and M-x
> org-backward-sentence. This has the same result - moves by
> paragraphs only.
> 
> These results have occurred in the org file that I am working with
> at present. Interestingly, M-e and M-a work as they should whilst
> moving through the online tutorial (C-h t). The tutorial buffer
> opens in fundamental mode. I have opened my org file in fundamental
> too - still the problem persists.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yes. The sentence is in the eye of the beholder :-)

Just type in C-h f and then forward-sentence <RET>. You get the help
text for that function (I guess you already did). Now this has a
reference to the variable "sentence-end", which is customizable
(but don't let customize sirens detour your boat: hold to the mast).

Go to sentence-end's doco (C-h v ...). Its default value is the
result of invoking the function (sentence-end) which (on my system,
at least) is... (ohmygod, that looks ugly ;-)

Anyway it's some punctuation followed by *more* than one space.

Judging by your mail you come from a culture which (like mine)
tends to terminate sentences by just a dot and *one* space. That's
not enough for `sentence-end's default value..

That's, of course all my guess, but perhaps it sets you off into
the right direction.

Regards
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Re: org-forward-sentence moving by paragraphs, not sentences?

[Roland Tarver]

Hi Yuri,


On 17/03/17 14:24, Yuri Khan wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Roland Tarver
> <roland.tarver@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am using org-mode (which is just amazing!) and I seem to be having trouble
>> with moving forward and backward by sentences.
>>
>> Interestingly, M-e and M-a work as they should whilst moving through the online
>> tutorial (C-h t).
> My crystal ball says you might be using a full stop and a single space
> between sentences but Emacs by default expects that sentences are
> separated with a full stop and a double space.
>
> The tutorial happens to use double spacing.
>
> See (describe-variable sentence-end-double-space) for details.

Thank you very much for your reply.

It fixed the issue and my emacs is now behaving as I want. Smashing :-)

Cheers roly :-)

Re: org-forward-sentence moving by paragraphs, not sentences?

[Roland Tarver]

Hi Tomas,


On 17/03/17 14:45, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:50:34AM +0000, Roland Tarver wrote:
>> Hello All!
>>
>> First post here :-)  Fairly new to emacs - please be gentle with me! haha.
> Don't worry. Lots of civilised folks around here ;-)

Phew! Thats lucky ;-) haha

>
>> I am using org-mode (which is just amazing!) and I seem to be having
>> trouble with moving forward and backward by sentences.
>>
>> The M-e key is bound to org-forward-sentence and the M-a key is
>> bound to org-backward-sentence. However, when I press these keys the
>> point moves backward or forward by paragraph, not by sentence.
>>
>> In an effort to exclude incorrect key bindings, I have run the
>> functions using M-x org-forward-sentence and M-x
>> org-backward-sentence. This has the same result - moves by
>> paragraphs only.
>>
>> These results have occurred in the org file that I am working with
>> at present. Interestingly, M-e and M-a work as they should whilst
>> moving through the online tutorial (C-h t). The tutorial buffer
>> opens in fundamental mode. I have opened my org file in fundamental
>> too - still the problem persists.
>>
>> Any ideas?
> Yes. The sentence is in the eye of the beholder :-)
>
> Just type in C-h f and then forward-sentence <RET>. You get the help
> text for that function (I guess you already did). Now this has a
> reference to the variable "sentence-end", which is customizable
> (but don't let customize sirens detour your boat: hold to the mast).

... I'm hanging on ^^ ...

> Go to sentence-end's doco (C-h v ...). Its default value is the
> result of invoking the function (sentence-end) which (on my system,
> at least) is... (ohmygod, that looks ugly ;-)
>
> Anyway it's some punctuation followed by *more* than one space.
>
> Judging by your mail you come from a culture which (like mine)
> tends to terminate sentences by just a dot and *one* space. That's
> not enough for `sentence-end's default value..
>
> That's, of course all my guess, but perhaps it sets you off into
> the right direction.

You guessed correctly! Thank you very much for your help. I am not yet 
proficient with emac's help system. I did not even know you could get 
descriptions of variables. O well, I guess I have to start somewhere. 
Thankfully I know enough to make daily use of emacs; and thus learn as I 
work...

Your comments helped me fix the "problem", thank you.

Best wishes
Roly :-)

>
> Regards
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