From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <88821130-f989-49ac-b8b1-e3cb2f5c5271@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <880cfe65-c525-46f7-a2e7-f76aa1168015@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <867ib4copo.fsf@eder.homelinux.net> <7ed2603a-8ad5-4be8-9629-0f736d8e46ae@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <863alrdahh.fsf@eder.homelinux.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217414669 9637 80.91.229.12 (30 Jul 2008 10:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 30 12:45:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KO9BA-00071V-8S for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:45:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48754 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KO9AF-0002JG-U7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:44:15 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!j7g2000prm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 70 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217411395 19854 127.0.0.1 (30 Jul 2008 09:49:55 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j7g2000prm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160706 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56055 Archived-At: On Jul 30, 1:47 am, Andreas Eder wrote: > HiXah, > > >>>>> "Xah" =3D=3DXah writes: > > Xah> On Jul 29, 3:25 pm, Andreas Eder wrote: > >> HiXah, > >> > >> >>>>> "Xah" =3D=3DXah writes: > >> > Xah> I don't see my suggestion for emacs to adapt the =E2=80=9CAlt+=E2= =80=B9key=E2=80=BA=E2=80=9D notation > Xah> should be classified as a =E2=80=9Cfeature=E2=80=9D. Between Feat= ure and Bug, i'd say > Xah> it's a bug, if forced. > >> > Xah> Remember, in my article > >> > Xah> =E2=80=9CEmacs's M-=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA Notation vs Alt+=E2=80= =B9key=E2=80=BA Notation=E2=80=9D > Xah>http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_meta_key.html > >> > Xah> The main reasons i gave are: > >> > Xah> =E2=80=A2 Universally understood > Xah> =E2=80=A2 Identical To Key's Label > Xah> =E2=80=A2 Meta is Alt in practice > Xah> =E2=80=A2 Keyboards don't have Meta key today > >> > >> But this just plain wrong! My Alt key does *not* generate Meta but > >> Alt (what a surprise) and I have a different key that generates > >> Meta. Meta is not Alt, not even in practice. > > Xah> Did you customize your emacs? > > No, that hasn't got anything to do with emacs. It is a question of > keyboard drivers and X11 keymaps. I did not change anything > related to keys in emacs. > I even have super and Hyper keys by the way. > > Xah> My argument is applied to default emacs on Windows, Mac OS X, and > Xah> Linux... > > Xah> Also, what keyboard and OS are you on? > It is a cherry linux keyboard and the OS is FreeBSD. > But as I already said, it hasn't got anything to do with that. It > is merely a question of setting up the right keyboard drivers and > layouts and you have your keys as you like them in any application > not just emacs. Ok. So you didn't customize emacs but you did customize your OS? among computer keyboard users, those who has customized their keymappings is perhaps less that 0.001%. If we narrow it down to professional programers, it's still perhaps less than 0.01%. In anycase, regardless what emacs uses as its shortcut notation, your personal customization will still work. I too, have extensive keyboard customization, both at OS level and emacs level. I use Apple's computer running OSX, with a Microsoft's PC keyboard. The Alt key on my keyboard is actually Mac's Cmd. The WindowKey is actually the Opt/Alt key. That's just my customization. I can't use it to argue that Alt is not Alt. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84