From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: "like other editors" [ Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:01:35 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20111003093334.0bf5d988@kuru.homelinux.net> <4E89B613.9060305@mousecar.com> <20111003154119.37845657@kuru.homelinux.net> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317658225 5443 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2011 16:10:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:10:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 18:10:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RAl5v-00084H-06 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:10:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53200 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAl5u-0007Pn-9x for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:10:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60321) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAl5o-0007PH-UN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAl5n-00074m-Mp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53158) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAl5n-00074h-Db for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RAl5m-00080V-VJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:10:10 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:10:10 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:10:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:efE6BBxdoGjRgnbgkUt701LwpDA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82419 Archived-At: Suvayu Ali writes: > Hi Ken, > > On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:18:11 -0400 > ken wrote: > >> Secondly, there are places in the world where people haven't ever >> used Windows; instead, their first and only experience with computers >> is with Linux. What sense can it make to them that emacs' behavior >> is changed simply to mimic some other editor they've never seen or >> used? > > You wrongly assumed by modern editors I was talking about Windows > editors[1], you can check out other FOSS editors (in fact they are > pretty good for relatively simple use) like Geany, Kate, Gedit, Nedit > (this is actually pretty old), text input windows of most file/web > browsers, many GUI email clients and so on. And most of the friends I > was trying to introduce to org-mode were *nix users already (yes there > are non-techie people using *nix, and yes they made the decision > without any "friendly help" guiding them in that direction). > > No need to start a(n) argument/flame-war here, RMS asked users' opinion > and I expressed myself. Don't get me wrong, I love Emacs and I couldn't > manage to work without it. But the first day experience in Emacs is > definitely one of my worst. My opinion was based on that experience. I agree with you. How it became a Linux v Windows and Word v Emacs fight I'm not quite sure.