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From: Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "like other editors" [
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:01:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fawrcmjc80.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20111003154119.37845657@kuru.homelinux.net

Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Ken,
>
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:18:11 -0400
> ken <gebser@mousecar.com> wrote:
>
>> Secondly, there are places in the world where people haven't ever
>> used Windows; instead, their first and only experience with computers
>> is with Linux.  What sense can it make to them that emacs' behavior
>> is changed simply to mimic some other editor they've never seen or
>> used?
>
> You wrongly assumed by modern editors I was talking about Windows
> editors[1], you can check out other FOSS editors (in fact they are
> pretty good for relatively simple use) like Geany, Kate, Gedit, Nedit
> (this is actually pretty old), text input windows of most file/web
> browsers, many GUI email clients and so on. And most of the friends I
> was trying to introduce to org-mode were *nix users already (yes there
> are non-techie people using *nix, and yes they made the decision
> without any "friendly help" guiding them in that direction).
>
> No need to start a(n) argument/flame-war here, RMS asked users' opinion
> and I expressed myself. Don't get me wrong, I love Emacs and I couldn't
> manage to work without it. But the first day experience in Emacs is
> definitely one of my worst. My opinion was based on that experience.

I agree with you. How it became a Linux v Windows and Word v Emacs fight
I'm not quite sure.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-03 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
2011-09-30  3:42 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Richard Stallman
2011-09-30  8:56   ` Memnon Anon
2011-09-30 11:36   ` Jai Dayal
2011-09-30 15:17   ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-01 12:54     ` Le Wang
2011-10-03 15:25       ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-03  5:57   ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03  9:21     ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 15:14       ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 20:57         ` Martyn Jago
2011-10-03 17:18       ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 18:53         ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03  7:33   ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 13:18     ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] ken
2011-10-03 13:24       ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-03 14:47         ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 13:41       ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 15:17         ` ken
2011-10-03 16:02           ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 20:39             ` ken
2011-10-03 15:35         ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 16:01         ` Richard Riley [this message]
2011-10-03 16:00       ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 17:45         ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 19:27           ` Rasmus
2011-10-03 21:30         ` ken
2011-10-03 16:22       ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 12:37         ` ken
2011-10-04 22:09           ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 12:44         ` ken
2011-10-04 18:40           ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 20:02             ` ken
2011-10-04 20:19               ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 21:42                 ` ken
2011-10-04 21:54                   ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-05  0:35                   ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04  1:54       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <mailman.5071.1317713524.939.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-10-04 13:12         ` rusi
2011-10-04 17:27       ` S Boucher
2011-10-05 14:30         ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-05 16:02           ` Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 17:26         ` MBR
2011-10-05 17:51           ` S Boucher
2011-10-04  4:28   ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete MBR
2011-10-04  7:33     ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 14:08       ` MBR
2011-10-04 14:40         ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 11:39     ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-04 13:31       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 11:47   ` Jonathan Groll
2011-10-04 13:33     ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 16:17       ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-04 16:36         ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 17:38   ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 18:29     ` Alan E. Davis
2011-10-04 19:16       ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 19:11   ` Johnny
2011-10-05  1:04   ` Ludwig, Mark
2011-10-06 12:24     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-10-06 19:15   ` Ken Goldman
2011-10-06 19:52     ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-18  8:09   ` Steinar Bang
2011-11-13  4:24   ` semperos
2011-10-05  3:46 "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete], Rustom Mody
2011-10-05  4:04 ` "like other editors" Ian Zimmerman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-12  8:04 ""like other editors" [" Rustom Mody

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