From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: edgar@openmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 03:44:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527074144 18026 195.159.176.226 (23 May 2018 11:15:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 11:15:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 23 13:15:40 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRk3-0004ZZ-RC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:15:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60661 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRmA-00052d-ME for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:17:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50095) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRl2-00051V-QU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:16:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRl0-0006fD-5P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:16:40 -0400 Original-Received: from onethreetwo.vfemail.net ([199.16.11.132]:59623 helo=vfemail.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRkz-0006eS-VF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:16:38 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 77782 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2018 11:16:31 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO freequeue.vfemail.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 23 May 2018 11:16:28 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 80890 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2018 03:44:23 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 80888, pid: 80889, t: 0.0020s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102-2.vfemail.net) (172.16.100.62) by FreeQueue with SMTP; 23 May 2018 03:44:23 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 8598 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2018 03:44:12 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 8592, pid: 8595, t: 0.0847s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO www.vfemail.net) (ZWRnYXJAb3Blbm1haWwuY2M=@172.16.100.92) by 172.16.100.62 with ESMTPA; 23 May 2018 03:44:12 -0000 Original-Received: from wfzzLPiukfT/5DserTSHwzf9mdNLDo3hdQ0zwhmEGAM= (N/Gxp/Bb95ukrVQvhA7cVimZAKjTcJ+0) by www.vfemail.net with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Tue, 22 May 2018 22:44:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: edgar@openmail.cc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 199.16.11.132 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116835 Archived-At: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 13:10:06 -0700 > From: Eric Abrahamsen > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <87vabgg481.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain > > edgar@openmail.cc writes: > > For anyone who's paying attention to US politics (I hope it's not > ruining your day), the lesson I think we're learning here is that > positions that are held for emotional reasons only get stronger the > more > you attack them. The lessons that I learned were: - that it is very seldom to find a place to work with free software - that there are people who don't give a rat's ass about freedom. - that there are people who are committed to freedom - that many people expect me to give away my and future generations rights - that this is a harder decision than I expected I disagree on politics being exclusively related to "emotional reasons", but I don't want to diverge. > > Knowing nothing more about your adviser than what you've written in > this > thread, it sounds like it might be an emotional issue for her (as it > may > be for you, and certainly is for many of us here!). Meaning, she's > likely to respond to any perceived "attack" by doubling down. If the previous point of not fighting emotional arguments is valid, then may be being rational about it may help. We are talking about people's freedom. Nothing can be more humanly irrational and reasonable at the same time than that. My 2 cents. > So it might be time to try out the Daoist playbook and "do without > doing". That's not helpful advice without more specifics, but my > understanding of the approach is that you create the conditions > conducive to the result you want, rather than forcing the result > itself. > So that might mean providing a useful FOSS-based service to your fellow > students, or helping people understand your workflow in a > non-pressuring > way, or... otherwise convincing people that it was their idea to begin > with. Fighting, indeed, has shown to _always_ create more issues than it's supposed to resolve. Being smart about it: yes. > > Just an idea! > > Eric Thank you, Eric :) ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options!