From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> <878wqg4alp.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87r6482t6l.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87ej082rxo.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229436483 9835 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 14:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Phil Carmody" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 15:09:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCaba-00067t-Lq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49237 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCaaO-0000ZA-3P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:07:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCaa1-0000YQ-L9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:07:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCaZz-0000Xe-Ox for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:07:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44405 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCaZz-0000Xa-KT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:07:19 -0500 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.249]:23540) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCaZz-00046J-76 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:07:19 -0500 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so1279615ana.21 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:07:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4+29jYjHHEfCTeZgGt3Fiyq69YuSzROCUBeG9WM7ljc=; b=h+2zZ0Bb/yDShNrFV+PALk1ZhQzx/lIo4RtdhoWoukYl57Paq9szST8wZhqq3KQAC8 BX0mjk2cJGq2Au+nca0OtMBAaskgq2JmJOEEpxaVnzunYR5q4+JMwKQtncneeiDc9FH5 qDGm+XRFqEhfrIUer9I2zgB0BSajCpPZ/ObLY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ovFNh05eciS0xzFPjttHhRFlJ++jNF4nR+3P23I31zkJB+U8UlKqVb9o6i6IqsnEu1 fsoJbJt2F7sDz524XKyDuUiZsuHQIg3XhHWrszLW55WiQFozcswvFfa8wBmKITwpflWM qeXIR/inz6p3UsFAeRoJ4TjWFrJ9EG6JXOh6o= Original-Received: by 10.100.128.2 with SMTP id a2mr5462208and.93.1229436438849; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:07:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.100.13.13 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:07:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ej082rxo.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60688 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 14:03, Phil Carmody wrote: > Subtract the 'start, quit' time from the 'start, open file, quit' time. > That's the file open time. Is vim loading a file at twice the speed of > emacs cause for concern? Depends on the total time, and also on what are both editors doing (syntax coloring, conversion, etc.). I don't doubt you're right that Emacs is slower than vi; I can only offer my personal experience that, for me, it is rare indeed the file where loading causes a significant, annoying delay. I suppose it will be much more common in old hardware. > You don't seriously think that I was considering 'start, quit' > to be an actual usage scenario whose time is important, do you? I found your way of presenting the data confusing. If you're interested only in the file load time, why list the other times too? If your interlocutor doesn't trust you to do a subtraction he won't trust you to do the measures in the first place. [That said, it is entirely possible your message was quite clear and I just didn't get it; the flu's got the better of me right now.) > The reason I don't use the client/server setup is that I absolutely > do not want C/Perl code buffers appearing or being offered to me > while I'm doing stuff in GNUS, and I absolutely do not want newsgroup/ > SCORE buffers appearing or being offered to me when I'm doing stuff > with coding. Is there any way to keep these two sessions independent > and still use the client/server setup? I think the variable `server-window' could be useful. Or did you try it already and didn't suit your needs? Juanma