From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:30:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <87sktzzcow.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216909902 27106 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 14:31:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:31:42 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 16:32:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KM1rX-00055e-7i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:32:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42413 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM1qd-0001xa-Nl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:31:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM1pj-0001bq-Az for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:30:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM1ph-0001Ze-I1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40833 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM1ph-0001ZB-AA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]:61658) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KM1ph-0007Lr-6X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6936468nfi.26 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:30:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Mu01LQSlV/dP6Xb51pJeVgZ0J4/F2TqJPJ3VEABhxkc=; b=Ce20dFbNIaULebM5cuIEZoT5H+CqlY16eshFUYsuPPc4DTh5CqaasqYfviSWbq+TqL rRpnSVzqUKIONES85U2k/UCbx2e3j3ABXzjbsNz94ZOLgL2Mf7loNzXkGJsdJ+Pn3P46 BcDuTZv1u5DYbycxIoqYJM0AblgWvdsHXPRIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=mcrorRZYNNsriqdPZwijpq67CGVMFKtsCI5nc6cx22W1TyBahzmdQwAUsPtpCmOray rHit5N3YFzyBam+a0qNhBhnlhOuaH+WKm6hnAKSVQLSpEAVxubcL6lVrbIq9wkPuT1yr diDjJds302bA+tQ3XEJrWHx11J0QQNwsraygg= Original-Received: by 10.210.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr396439ebb.163.1216909815608; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:30:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87sktzzcow.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55907 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 14:30, Tim X wrote: > I have to agree here. I rarely use the mouse I'm not sure how one thing is related to the other. I use the keyboard much more than the mouse, and always for selection. Still I prefer the shift keys and a visible region to other ways to do it. > I'll only say that many of the so-called modernisation > features Xah and ohters have mentioned are often poor replacements for a > far superior mode that pre-dates the more popular method Yes. Often. At other times, it is only the old fashioned way to do it. If transient-mark-mode is now t by default, for example, it's hard to believe that the alternative is a "far superior mode". Let's call them two different, equally valid worldviews. > - its like VHS > versus Beta - just because its more popular and possibly better known, > it doesn't mean that its actually a better solution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war It's not evident that Beta was superior, and it's not evident either why one format won over the other(s). There were multiple factors at play. Still, if Emacs turned to be the Beta of programmer editors, technical excellence would be small consolation. Juanma