From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:49:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87hcaiiatp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <86r69laodc.fsf@timbral.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216767050 28763 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 22:50:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Evans Winner" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 00:51:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLQhb-0005fI-3b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:51:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36835 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQgh-0007WV-TS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:50:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQfr-0007Hn-Et for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQfp-0007Gw-Sp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:49:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50284 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQfp-0007Gr-JV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]:7156) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLQfp-000274-DH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6647787nfi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:49:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zwbir0l/oma0weyhUhFsXSZjfuMTViP9D6eKPGNR4QU=; b=fUi90ggh5wFAO++Ww/CAMY6sFOjLAS7XUvx/tv16HER1UKZ+3lcY1z6ZMHE3jok3aR HbOZAaLEYT7VhQLhKAF/f7zdRIuOS5aIDvTlEPJGTQCMuMlq5NzyJJvINpLKStq4wt4f 3hC+A8gs3R/g7r7gQfoOZooxmloOtftOT7fIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nixXxGqcrf/VVnnbdjFg2bA0LC56UFEWGLEo1FPqI3bIz/atGLb+SuM/DdmxOnK/+u C0UXVbSKzdtsvZXkw5cn+ovgB2+TktSb0NXkw6p2dZaUCWo67nCUZeKhLDbfv4hfC0hZ 2UYiGupnaZIhehP/Z28bJ43O4zf62/nbj1N7U= Original-Received: by 10.210.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr5102609ebn.116.1216766975904; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:49:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86r69laodc.fsf@timbral.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55826 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 18:13, Evans Winner wrote: > The issue is not history or short-term convenience for new > users but precision. Emacs does not use workspaces or > panes, but buffers. Looking up "buffer", the closest meaning I find is: "(computer science) a part of RAM used for temporary storage of data that is waiting to be sent to a device; used to compensate for differences in the rate of flow of data between components of a computer system" which is not exactly the meaning used in Emacs, because, as has been pointed out, many "buffers" are used to store data that will never be sent to a device. Whether "workspace" is a better term or not is largely irrelevant; on one hand, because the discussion is about whether better terms could be used, not a defense of specific ones; and, on the other hand, because, after emacs -Q, (let ((x 0)) (mapatoms (lambda (sym) (when (string-match-p "buffer" (symbol-name sym)) (setq x (1+ x))))) x) => 660 so it will never be changed. > A person who has been told that he is working with > ``windows'' (meaning buffers in Emacs) is thus conceptually > crippled if he wants to do something that could be done with > buffers other than using them as windows. I've never seen "window" suggested as a substitute of "buffer", but of (Emacs) "frame", because what Emacs calls a frame is usually called a window in most environments. > A metaphor, like > ``workspace'' only tells you as much about a thing as the > inventor of the metaphor wanted you to know, but makes it > impossible to extend your understanding past that. "Buffer" is also a metaphor. > If the term keybinding ought to be changed to anything it > should be rather something like input-binding (since > function execution can be triggered by any form of input, > not just keyboard presses) than ``shortcut'' or whatever > such woozy nonsense. Something like it. But less obscure. And, for the record, I don't like shortcut at all. Juanma