From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:22:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216725863 10980 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 11:24:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Phil Carmody" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 13:25:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLFy7-0004hO-Ku for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:23:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58603 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLFxE-0005Bc-53 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLFwo-00054p-8m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:22:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLFwl-0004wv-79 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40333 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLFwl-0004wR-1z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.184]:37819) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLFwk-0005AL-Nd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6507660nfi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9//E6eaNfFMVE06/unNVYs9nuTt4rYrz7PrW7YKNdm4=; b=ta6WaNtTqDhFI2injtZiBpG5nwoIFSpIdU+Erudjg0CXRJCEpUhPIBntoBFnm6Su60 U/4Bhu8rVQlOf/2wP5dGkyeTgETaR8Qf8LH5j7MAOWVDJ53LElW7bF9wcviz+sgow9V7 MJpptrGtxMC2LgzXh9FUv5yAkQcmiTBMtPYWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VTonGw07G8Vm1vp2iZm15kpA/8aDaNF8kQP/1Fq3+FJ+CJUN8zC1GjLq1ZP0/azDtA 1PoOwls6mRSjddirVs7DVmYVr4ywa/QmIe4e60L4jQ7iaFSgvDboUyqkcaEGYJIG1O0d Fw5b9OAs9aUfNKsbmmrJYwdQi97S/T0bDANB0= Original-Received: by 10.210.46.4 with SMTP id t4mr4371261ebt.35.1216725740829; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:22:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55786 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46, Phil Carmody wrote: > Xah writes: >> These terms are irrelevant to the users of a software application. > > Blatant assertion I disagree with completely. In which way the use of terms like "keybinding" or "buffer" is relevant to the *users* of a software application? >> As a user of a text editor, he works with files. > > Blatant assertion I disagree with completely. As a user of a text > editor, I work with text. And I want it neatly buffered for me. > I may occasionally load some of the text from a file, and I may > occasionally save some of the text to a file, but the majority > of the buffers that I use never undergo either. It is true that the user of a text editor works with text. It is also true, I think, that most text is saved to a file, though nowadays I suppose there's also a fair amount that is cut&paste'd into another application, a web form, etc. Emacs is not a text editor (exclusively): from eshell to dired to BBDB to Gnus, many things can be done that do not match the text editor profile; and for those, certainly many buffers are used that do not correspond to a file in the filesystem. But I think it would be hard to argue that, in its use as a *text editor*, common users have a majority of buffers which are not associated to (and saved into) a file at one point or another... Juanma