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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: How to grok a complicated regex?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 00:03:34 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f346cd4c-5de7-4e46-bf5e-dcbb1541b98d@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87egosa3od.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl>

> I’m not talking about changing the representation, but about making the
> existing one (which I agree is not /that/ bad) more comprehensible.
> Font lock, grouping and unescaping backslashes would be definitely helpful.
> 
> OTOH, I can imagine that some kind of diagrams might be helpful for
> someone.  The point is, in the end you have to read/write these regexen
> in their normal form anyway, so why not train yourself to understand
> their “default” representation instead of adding the burden of
> translationg between representations?

I agree that a visual aid can help with learning - about regexps
in general and about Emacs regexp syntax in particular.

The Emacs Wiki page about regexps provides suggestions about learning
regexp syntax: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RegularExpression.

Incremental regexp searching (`C-M-s') is one good tool for learning.
What it does not help so much with is subgroup matching - keeping
the different groups straight when there are several possibilities.

Rasmus mentioned that `visual-regexp.el' can help with that. Likewise,
Icicles search: it highlights different subgroup matches differently.

Here is a screenshot that shows a complex regexp (5 groups) and a
diagram that maps each group to its highlighting:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RegularExpression#RegexpsInIcicles

The regexp: "(\([-a-z*]+\) *\((\(([-a-z]+ *\([^)]*\))\))\).*".
A left paren, a name, possibly some whitespace, two left parens,
a name, possibly some whitespace, possibly non right-paren chars,
two right parens, and any chars other than newline.  But grouped
in a particular way.

I find that it is more often the case, for a complicated regexp,
that you encounter it readymade (in some existing code), and you
want to see what it is all about and perhaps make a modification
to it.  That use case is more typical than is creating a complex
regexp from scratch.  As Emanuel said, such regexps are often
arrived at incrementally - they start simpler and evolve.

I recommend playing with existing regexps this way, seeing what
they match by using them with a visual tool such as Icicles search,
`visual-regexp.el', or even `C-M-s'.  A tour through the Emacs
source code will show you plenty of interesting regexps you can
play with - font-lock keywords and patterns defining Emacs pages,
sentences, etc.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-14  7:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1979.1426282552.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-13 22:46 ` How to grok a complicated regex? Emanuel Berg
2015-03-13 23:16   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-03-14  0:12     ` Rasmus
2015-03-14 13:18       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2003.1426339118.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-15  4:31         ` Rusi
2015-03-22  2:29       ` Tom Tromey
2015-03-22  2:44         ` Rasmus
2015-03-14  5:14     ` Yuri Khan
2015-03-14  7:03     ` Drew Adams [this message]
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1984.1426288628.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-14  3:58     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-14  4:44       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-14  4:58         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-14  8:43         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1997.1426324089.31049.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-03-20  1:05           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-18 16:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-03-19  8:15   ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-25  4:23 ` Rusi
2015-04-27 13:26   ` Julien Cubizolles
2015-03-14  8:16 martin rudalics
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-03-13 21:35 Marcin Borkowski
2015-03-13 21:45 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-03-13 21:47 ` Alexis
2015-03-13 21:57   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-03-23 12:18 ` Vaidheeswaran C

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