From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: RFC: Flavors - naming significant sets of customizations Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <9fc6b1ae-7cbd-4a17-a9a0-f4af42969312@googlegroups.com> <8761rgi7vt.fsf@gmail.com> <87y54cgse7.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385414098 2525 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2013 21:14:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 25 22:15:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl3Ui-0001QZ-JY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:15:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55085 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl3Uh-0007kC-PT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:14:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35393) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl3UP-0007jg-Mf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:14:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl3UH-0003Qk-48 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:14:41 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:22209) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl3UG-0003QT-Uf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:14:33 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAPLEUuH012817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:14:31 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAPLETve022736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:14:30 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAPLETTU022726; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:14:29 GMT In-Reply-To: <87y54cgse7.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94633 Archived-At: > >> First rule of Emacs: Don't customize it :-) > > > > That goes [so much] against the grain of what Emacs is, and is for, > > that I cannot even begin to comment on it. >=20 > Just because Emacs allows customization doesn't mean that it ought to be > customized upfront. Just because Emacs is designed, explicitly, to be The Customizable Editor does not mean that one ought not to customize it, up front or down back or out sideways. > 1. Emacs is usable without or with just minimal customization. Well of course. Goes without saying. > 2. Let customization appear naturally and in an effort-less way. > Let it grow. Who would argue otherwise? Who would say that customization should be hard to do or unnatural? > 3. I will not allow my neighbour to tell me how I arrange my > furniture in my house. Did one of your neighbors try to tell you how to arrange your house? Don't stand for that. Your furniture. Your house. (Tsk, tsk. My, my, my.) > Jambu's First rule of Emacs: Don't customize it. That's your first customization choice ;-): preferring the default settings. Nothing wrong with that. To each her own. But did you intend that as a `First Rule of Emacs' for others too? Including your neighbors? ;-)