From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Arrowless navigation Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160869596 3339 80.91.229.2 (14 Oct 2006 23:46:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 15 01:46:34 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYtD6-0004R2-GF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:46:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYt7q-00027S-GY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:41:06 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 45 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1160867259 8667 166.84.1.2 (14 Oct 2006 23:07:39 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:07:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:142426 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38046 Archived-At: In article , David Hansen wrote: >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:17:44 -0400 Vyacheslav Akhmechet wrote: > >> I recently disabled the arrow keys to avoid temptation. However, I >> find that default navigation is fairly uncomfortable: C-f, C-b, C-n, >> C-p. The keys are far away from each other and navigating like that is >> really stressful on the fingers. Why is this done this way? >> >> Do most people redefine these bindings? Initially I wanted to redefine >> to C-j, C-k, C-l and C-i (because they resemble the arrow keys and are >> close to the home row) but some of the most common emacs bindings are >> there. So how do the pros navigate? > >I use C-f and friends. I'm so used to it... > >But if you like to have some other cursor movement commands >w/o overwriting important emacs key bindings you can either >use these windows keys as a modifier or do some key mapping >magics with xmodmap. > >A quite common setup is to use CapsLock as the control key and >the left control key as another modifier. > >David > > > Even better is that the standard sun keyboard has control and caps-lock, etc, in the "right" place (ie where they were on the ASR-33 teletype, which is what EVERYONE used until finally (way back when!) "glass ttys" became available (at reasonable price). (is also how ancient VT-100, etc, had keys laid out). Meaning, with control-key just to left of "A". (Way down at the bottom left, as on (GD!) pc-keyboards, it's a PAINFUL stretch (for me, anyway). David