From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: arvid-harnack@lavache.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: icomplete-vertical-mode not taking effect Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15152"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Philip Kaludercic , help-gnu-emacs , Yuri Khan To: "Jean Louis" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 20 13:48:42 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1luvwQ-0003iz-BF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:48:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33156 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luvwP-0005r9-Cv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 07:48:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54712) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luvvv-0005r0-T4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 07:48:11 -0400 Original-Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:59804) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luvvt-0001pe-J4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 07:48:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=lavache.com; s=mailo; t=1624189654; bh=flbKU59AOFqUGZW+Dkiw2jhstZ0+cRu2euXHxl+b9Vc=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=e/vHuGuJMdUyn1PQegyZlws6/dx3V5E52UwbZMSu3ZjHpYvxfZ8dlUVn5CnqtNapc kphyqdqXF3NpXJKjFfT30/m6UMJ/5+Yy+OsTMnITWnKp3nVvxO3tY0kqjOo9o0YK4O zENno1O98Q+ZImN9jdw7uDwwAb4Ju0l5ZL3lpUxQ= Original-Received: by www-8.mailo.com with http webmail; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:47:34 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: l6MjNKwVNWLyRO+kT+dHWvcJ/GzA6U6K/BN2r4K+IFS45exfJSDv/OpnT3C+FQh/JYRaunm4bZFdGbmAbEVmU4KblTQx7305 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.11; envelope-from=arvid-harnack@lavache.com; helo=msg-1.mailo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131092 Archived-At: I sent the bug report because I did not simply want a solution for me perso= nally. We have to recognise the apparent surprise to some Emacs developers, when = pointing out that some capabilities are difficult to discover and use.=20 From: Jean Louis To: arvid-harnack@lavache.com Subject: Re: icomplete-vertical-mode not taking effect Date: 20/06/2021 13:30:30 Europe/Paris Cc: Philip Kaludercic ; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0help-gnu-emacs ; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Yuri Khan * arvid-harnack@lavache.com [2021-06-20 14:21]= : > It is also likely that my struggles are not isolated.=C2=A0 There > exist many states with hidden side effects and interactions > everywhere) that writing extensions for it is much harder than it > should be. It has enough history and a smart enough user base to > have a lot of cool functionality, but the idea that it is somehow > exceptionally wonderful just doesn't hold. I can understand struggles. Generalizations are not useful, what matters are numbers. If you look into numbers of bugs handled and updates to Emacs that is the result of the work of developers. If you like Emacs then you do like developers although you were not maybe aware of it. All of it was writen by RMS and developers. In case of `icomplete-vertical-mode' that is function in development version of Emacs. It is not even official, stable, it is development version. So take it easy. Test it, and tell your un-biased if possible non-emotional review of your viewpoints and post them in appropriate mailing list (otherwise developers may choose good mind blowing novels to read instead of a emotions on mailing list).=20 This list is not for development issues, the emacs-devel is for that, or bug report. Even if bug was closed, there is no need for you to engage in emotional war. It is much better if you give your opinion on that same closed bug report, as somebody else will read it and give their opinions until final consent is there. It really matters not if bug report was closed or not. Solution for you personally has been already found, use it. Bug reports are appreciated, but don't introduce attitudes that are harder to handle by other people. Writing extensions for Emacs is very easy in general. Just do it. Don't connect irrelevant writings with irrelevant other issues. I look at it from my viewpoint, nobody forbids me writing extensions for Emacs, I am free doing so. When you wish to include it in GNU ELPA, include it, you are free.=20 --=20 Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/