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From: "Samuel Banya" <sbanya@fastmail.com>
To: "Emanuel Berg" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: I'd like to request a change to the Emacs Info documentation
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:03:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e4b5ba16-1c15-49b1-9499-d311e90d6323@www.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEcHWvoKUqwq_bj8MK_KMWC-MtcdHXMMif5Rbs9Lr4d8BOkYvg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ramin,

I think its a good idea to just ask the 'emacs-devel@gnu.org' mailing list to see if they can incorporate it into the manual.

I think its a good idea in general, so go for it!

~ Sam

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Ramin Honary wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I thought it would be better to ask my question here
> first, so I don't end up adding noise to the emacs-devel@gnu.org
> mailing list.
> 
> I would like to change the top-level node of the Info document for
> Emacs so that it displays in prominent lettering how to do index
> search (bound to the "i" key) and full text search (bound to the "s"
> key) at the top of the document. I would like it to read:
> 
>    SEARCH IN THIS MANUAL:
>    - Press `i` to enter an index search term
>    - Press `m` to search this "menu" (the table of contents)
>    - Press `s` to do a full text search.
>    --------------------------------------------
>    - Press `q` to quit (close this screen)
>    - Press `H` for more help with keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> The justification is that search is considered essential functionality
> in documentation nowadays, if people do not find search functionality
> *immediately* they go to Google to search instead. Ideally, the
> documentation would present an interactive search at the very top, as
> most modern documentation browsers do. But failing that, the next best
> thing is to put up an easy-to-read sign about how to do search.
> 
> As it is now, if you follow the instructions at the top of the Emacs
> manual, it merely tells you to press "h" to learn more about how to
> use the Info documentation browser, and pressing "h" only takes you to
> section 1.2 of the Info manual. How to search is not listed anywhere
> in section 1 of the Info manual, it is listed in section 2 under the
> "Advanced" functionality, so not only is search NOT the first thing an
> end user sees, they would likely have a hard time finding it.
> 
> Search is not an "advanced" feature, it is *essential.* And I would
> argue that any mention of the most important feature of an interactive
> documentation browser has been completely buried, which is
> unfortunate.
> 
> I first brought it up online on Reddit in this thread:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/s4za7y/comment/hsz1cqb/  and
> decided to find out what I can do to go ahead and make this change, if
> the developers find it to be a reasonable request.
> 
> Any advice on my next steps toward making this change is appreciated.
> 
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-21 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-21  3:38 I'd like to request a change to the Emacs Info documentation Ramin Honary
2022-01-21  3:53 ` Po Lu
2022-01-21  7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-21 11:57   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-01-21 10:40 ` Jean Louis
2022-01-21 11:57   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-01-21 14:03 ` Samuel Banya [this message]
2022-01-21 15:40   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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