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From: "Lennart Borgman" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: "Richard Riley" <rileyrgdev@gmail.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:59:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01d8a50812151459g3cdf305fw9760058e3d9f1329@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <gi6lq5$4q3$1@usenet238.motzarella.org>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> But Vim is not only installed; it's really used a lot. In Debian Vim has
>>> always been a bit more popular than Emacs but in the first half of 2007
>>> Vim really got popular (around Vim 7.1 and Debian 4.0 release). This
>>> "used actively" graph compares vim-common, emacs21-bin-common and
>>> emacs22-bin-common packages:
>>>
>>>    http://preview.tinyurl.com/5thmmx
>>
>> That is a bit strange since the vi emulator Viper in Emacs is now so good.
>>
>
> Not strange at all Lennart, Why would someone run the Emacs OS to run
> emulated vim  when they can run the real thing in 100th of the
> footprint?

Exactly why do you think the footprint matter?

> The big problem is simply that Emacs is far less approachable than
> Vim. No matter what people say, I know from personal experience that
> people balk at the Tutorial which still emphasises center keys as
> opposed to arrows keys. It might appear minor to the seasoned emacs user
> but its not to the average new adopter who is used to standard Windows
> type CUA editors. I consider myself a pretty decent Emacs user now and I
> use the arrow keys ...
>
> In addition, and importantly, the type which stick with Emacs and know
> how it works are far less likely to by flag waving fan boys - something
> Vi/m has always had an abundance of....
>
>
> --
>  important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970
>




  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-15 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-02  2:53 is there summary of template systems for emacs? Xah Lee
2008-12-02  4:28 ` Xah Lee
2008-12-03  0:34 ` Drew Adams
2008-12-07 19:14   ` Peter Milliken
     [not found]   ` <mailman.2168.1228677280.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-14 21:37     ` Xah Lee
2008-12-15 18:24       ` Distributed Maintenance for Emacs (was: is there summary of template systems for emacs?) Leo
2008-12-15 18:45         ` Distributed Maintenance for Emacs Paul R
2008-12-15 18:48       ` is there summary of template systems for emacs? Peter Milliken
2008-12-15 20:21         ` Peter Milliken
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2806.1229365513.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-15 19:31         ` Emacs's popularity (was: Distributed Maintenance for Emacs) Teemu Likonen
2008-12-15 20:42           ` Peter Milliken
2008-12-15 21:09           ` Jonathan Groll
2008-12-15 21:37             ` Emacs's popularity Teemu Likonen
2008-12-15 21:41               ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2823.1229377291.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-15 22:28                 ` Richard Riley
2008-12-15 22:59                   ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2834.1229381955.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-15 23:40                     ` Richard Riley
2008-12-16  0:53                       ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.2836.1229388824.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16  1:01                         ` Richard Riley
2008-12-16  8:37                           ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.2845.1229416641.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 10:41                             ` Richard Riley
2008-12-16  2:37                       ` Charles philip Chan
2008-12-16 10:09                       ` Tim X
2008-12-16 11:20                         ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.2843.1229395204.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 10:17                         ` Tim X
2008-12-16 11:34                     ` Phil Carmody
2008-12-16 11:58                       ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.2853.1229428708.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 12:36                         ` Phil Carmody
2008-12-16 12:52                           ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.2855.1229431948.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 13:03                             ` Phil Carmody
2008-12-16 14:07                               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.2858.1229436444.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 15:09                                 ` Phil Carmody
2008-12-16 15:50                                   ` Richard Riley
2008-12-16 17:43                                     ` Andrea Vettorello
2008-12-16 16:05                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-16 16:21                                   ` Paul R
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.2867.1229443519.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 17:15                                     ` Richard Riley
2008-12-17  1:35                                     ` Phil Carmody
2008-12-16 16:56                       ` Andreas Politz
2008-12-17  1:34                         ` Phil Carmody
2008-12-17  7:43                       ` Tim X
2008-12-17 14:17                         ` B Smith-Mannschott
2008-12-15 23:55               ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2835.1229385349.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 10:21                 ` Tim X
2008-12-16 12:35               ` William Case
2008-12-15 22:03             ` Emacs's popularity (was: Distributed Maintenance for Emacs) Drew Adams
2008-12-15 22:07               ` Lennart Borgman
2008-12-15 22:19                 ` Drew Adams
2008-12-15 22:22                   ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2830.1229379766.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 10:33                     ` Emacs's popularity Tim X
2008-12-16 13:18                   ` Emacs's popularity (was: Distributed Maintenance for Emacs) Jonathan Groll
2008-12-16 17:46                     ` Drew Adams
2008-12-19  2:10                       ` Sean Sieger
2008-12-18 16:30               ` David L
2008-12-18 17:50                 ` Drew Adams
2008-12-19 16:53                   ` David L
2008-12-19 17:20                     ` Drew Adams
2008-12-19  2:37                 ` Sean Sieger
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2825.1229378627.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-12-16 10:22               ` Tim X
2008-12-16 11:56                 ` Richard Riley
2008-12-16 18:29                   ` Drew Adams
2008-12-15 22:49           ` Emacs's popularity Teemu Likonen
2008-12-16  2:10           ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-12-15 21:28         ` Distributed Maintenance for Emacs (was: is there summary of template systems for emacs?) Richard Riley
2008-12-15 19:46       ` is there summary of template systems for emacs? Drew Adams

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