Re: Emacs for Windows?

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Rupert Swarbrick]

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Drew Adams wrote:
>     > Actually, I was thinking of this binary (I wrote the wrong 
>     URL before):
>     > ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/. I tried 
>     http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex,
>     > but that just times out ("server unreachable"). Likewise for
>     > http://alpha.gnu.org/.
>     > 
>     > How can I get to this binary via http? Thx.
>     
>     I don't think you can: alpha.gnu.org doesn't have the http gateway.
>     Sorry.
> 
> That would explain it. Thanks for replying.
> 
> 

Of course, if you can find a proxy that doesn't mind you logging in via
http and itself requesting using the ftp protocol, you're quids in.

There's quite a long list of public proxies on e.g. proxyblind.org,
although you might want to check legality of using them. Fortunately, my
university allows virtually all ports (except bit torrent, unsurprisingly)

Rupert Swarbrick

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Thien-Thi Nguyen]

Ramprasad B <ramprasad_i82@yahoo.com> writes:

> Other systems are which are being released early 
> from it's previous releases, quite conforms to the quality.

when emacs runs fine, that is when you perceive quality.  when emacs crashes
or misbehaves, that is when you perceive lack of (or low) quality.  any other
perception of quality is an indirect one.  (according to pirsig, with whom i
agree for the most part.)

> i made this point not for my Emacs enjoyment.

yes, and drescher wishes the toaster to be happy, too.

> If a system is not being released early from it's previous releases, the
> users (novice / experienced) from FOSS world and proprietary world (more),
> lose interest in that particular system, because the first impression the
> user gets is, the system development is not active / outdated.

in losing interest, they lose the opportunity to enjoy emacs, but gain the
opportunity to suffer for their prejudice.

> Do we need this ?

personally, i only need bug reports every once in a while.  people losing
interest and therefore not using emacs do not impact my emacs enjoyment.

> We need to get more and more users from closed source domain world also.

everyone has their path and their method of plo{tt,dd}ing along it.

> For e.g. If a novice user from proprietary world
> wants to just taste FOSS world system, he won't be 
> having enough patience as much as experienced FOSS user to get from 
> CVS, compile, etc - the latest version of the system, which is not 
> yet released officially.

and yet they have patience to endure unseen conju{g,r}ations of their
cpu over their data and disk.  perhaps this can lead to more patience.

> So, at the first place if we make an good impression of the system, we
> hit the target half way through in getting more users, especially from
> proprietary world.

on the other hand, if people realize that proprietary world is bizarre
and far from home, they may return to us, eventually, having grown tired
of the forced vacation.  the first impression has already been made and
lost for these people -- it is their lot to rediscover this.

thi

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Thien-Thi Nguyen]

Ramprasad B <ramprasad_i82@yahoo.com> writes:

> Why the Emacs is not being released say for every
> quarter / half month ?  I am surprised ...

pirsig sez: quality is the moment of perception.  (you can download
and build emacs at whatever frequency surprises you least -- don't
let "officials" of any stripe interfere w/ your emacs enjoyment. ;-)

thi

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Ramprasad B]

--- Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org> wrote:

> pirsig sez: quality is the moment of perception.  

Other systems are which are being released early 
from it's previous releases, quite conforms to the quality.

> (you can download and build emacs at whatever frequency surprises you least -- 
> don't let "officials" of any stripe interfere w/ your emacs enjoyment. ;-)

i made this point not for my Emacs enjoyment.
If a system is not being released early from it's previous releases, 
the users (novice / experienced) from FOSS world and proprietary world (more), 
lose interest in that particular system, because the first impression the 
user gets is, the system development is not active / outdated.
Do we need this ?
We need to get more and more users from closed source domain world also.

For e.g. If a novice user from proprietary world
wants to just taste FOSS world system, he won't be 
having enough patience as much as experienced FOSS user to get from 
CVS, compile, etc - the latest version of the system, which is not 
yet released officially.

So, at the first place if we make an good impression of the system,
we hit the target half way through in getting more users, especially from 
proprietary world.

My half cents :).

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Paul Whitfield]

Ramprasad B wrote:
> --- Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se> wrote:
> 
>> The latest version uploaded are now 2006-02-01 for the patched version 
>> and 2006-01-31 for the unpatched version.
> 
> But, what about ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ ?
> Why are the timestamps of files are still */*/2004 ?

Because that's how old the actual Official released versions are.

ALL the more recent versions are NOT released...
They are build from CVS and are pre-release / alpha / beta software.

That said, for me, they are quite stable and I used them very day.

> Is there any other place where native emacs and emacs w32 is being placed ?
> For native emacs - emacs-21.4a.tar.gz, it is 2/17/2005 ?
> Why is this happening ?

I don't think there has every been an "official" release of
version 21.4a for windows..

I have long since moved onto the bleeding edge.

Paul

Emacs for Windows?

[Javier]

Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable cvs
for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around? I'm
currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.

Thanks.
Javier

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Maarten Bergvelt]

In article <1140040539.656338.108980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
Javier wrote:
> Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable cvs
> for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around? I'm
> currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.

ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/

comes with built in auctex and preview-latex

-- 
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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Klaus Berndl]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Maarten Bergvelt wrote:

>  In article <1140040539.656338.108980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
>  Javier wrote:
> > Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable cvs
> > for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around? I'm
> > currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.
>  
>  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/
>  
>  comes with built in auctex and preview-latex

i use this prebuild for a while and it works perfectly - can recommend it...

Klaus

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[B. T. Raven]

"Klaus Berndl" <klaus.berndl@sdm.de> wrote in message
news:uy80bn2hx.fsf@sdm.de...
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Maarten Bergvelt wrote:
>
> >  In article <1140040539.656338.108980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >  Javier wrote:
> > > Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable
cvs
> > > for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around?
I'm
> > > currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.
> >
> >  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/
> >
> >  comes with built in auctex and preview-latex
>
> i use this prebuild for a while and it works perfectly - can recommend
it...
>
> Klaus
>

Thanks, Klaus. I am right to conclude that

emacs+auctex-w32-2006-01-29.zip

will unzip to the latest precompiled binary(s)? Has leim been included in
this or is that still a separate package? Is there any reason I might not
want this as opposed to

emacs+auctex-w32-2005-12-19.zip

for example? Were any important changes made in those 6 weeks?

Thanks,

Ed.
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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Feb 16 2006, B. T. Raven wrote:

> Thanks, Klaus. I am right to conclude that
> emacs+auctex-w32-2006-01-29.zip
> will unzip to the latest precompiled binary(s)? 

Not the latest, but those as of 2006-01-29.

> Has leim been included in this or is that still a separate package?

Included.

> Is there any reason I might not want this as opposed to
> emacs+auctex-w32-2005-12-19.zip
> for example? Were any important changes made in those 6 weeks?

Depends very much on _your_ definition of "important".  IIRC, the
differences between the 2006-01-29 and 2005-12-19 are rather minor.
If you don't have one installed yet, pick the newest.

Look at the ChangeLog files, if you need to know details.  Here is an
URL.  You may replace "/lisp" by "", "/src", ... to see the various
ChangeLog files:

http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/emacs/emacs/lisp/ChangeLog?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[David Kastrup]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Thu, Feb 16 2006, B. T. Raven wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Klaus. I am right to conclude that
>> emacs+auctex-w32-2006-01-29.zip
>> will unzip to the latest precompiled binary(s)? 
>
> Not the latest, but those as of 2006-01-29.
>
>> Has leim been included in this or is that still a separate package?
>
> Included.
>
>> Is there any reason I might not want this as opposed to
>> emacs+auctex-w32-2005-12-19.zip
>> for example? Were any important changes made in those 6 weeks?
>
> Depends very much on _your_ definition of "important".  IIRC, the
> differences between the 2006-01-29 and 2005-12-19 are rather minor.
> If you don't have one installed yet, pick the newest.

It is possible that the newer one does not have working mouse-1 links
in gnus article buffers.  Very annoying, that.  The later however
includes a newer version of AUCTeX IIRC.

Time we got another version out...

-- 
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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Lennart Borgman]

David Kastrup wrote:
> It is possible that the newer one does not have working mouse-1 links
> in gnus article buffers.  Very annoying, that.  The later however
> includes a newer version of AUCTeX IIRC.
>
> Time we got another version out...
>   
For those that does not need AUCTex there is a new unpatched version 
from 2006-02-17 compiled for w32 at 
http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Feb 17 2006, David Kastrup wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> Depends very much on _your_ definition of "important".  IIRC, the
>> differences between the 2006-01-29 and 2005-12-19 are rather minor.

Correction: In the announcement for 2006-01-29, Ralf wrote about some
problem with images in the 2005-12-19 version.  jpg, png?  I don't
remember.  Maybe Ralf could add a CHANGES-w32 file on alpha.gnu.org
summarizing the major changes?

>> If you don't have one installed yet, pick the newest.
>
> It is possible that the newer one does not have working mouse-1 links
> in gnus article buffers.  Very annoying, that.  

Do you refer to [1,2]?  For me, it was quite a minor problem.  I
wasn't even able to reproduce this bug after Piet's first report.  A
simple workaround is to click into in the article before clicking on
the link.  Or use mouse-2.  Bug [3] (introduce when fixing [1,2]) was
much more annoying to me.

> The later however includes a newer version of AUCTeX IIRC.

No, both contain AUCTeX 11.82 (cf. RELEASE-2006-01-29.txt).

> Time we got another version out...

On GNU/Linux several people including me had some crashes (see
emacs-devel / emacs-pretest-bug).  I'm not sure if its fixed.  But
maybe it's not relevant for w32.

Bye, Reiner.

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/m2wthfceva.fsf%40ordesa.lan
    Subject: Mouse-1 behaviour changed in gnus?
[2] http://thread.gmane.org/87acd48bhi.fsf%40stupidchicken.com
    Subject: mouse-1-click-follows-link and mime messages
[3] http://thread.gmane.org/v9r7635q7u.fsf_-_%40marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de
    Subject: mouse-1 drag invokes follow-link
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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Lennart Borgman]

Javier wrote:
> Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable cvs
> for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around? I'm
> currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.
>
> Thanks.
> Javier
>   
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryWThirtyTwo

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Peter Tury]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:23:19 +0100, Lennart Borgman wrote:
> Javier wrote:
>> Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable cvs
>> for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around? I'm
>> currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.
>>
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryWThirtyTwo

I tried and plan to switch to EmacsW32. It's latest version at the moment
is 06-Jan-2006
(http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/EmacsW32+Emacs/Emacs-from-CVS/patched/).

Unfortunately its "latest version info" seems to be outdated in
http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html (tells 060101);
and in
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsW32 (tells 2005-12-09) (?)
and in 
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryWThirtyTwo (tells 2005-09-27)
(?).

Br,
P

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Lennart Borgman]

Peter Tury wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:23:19 +0100, Lennart Borgman wrote:
>   
>> Javier wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi All. I'm looking for a precompiled "latest and greatest" stable cvs
>>> for Windows. Is there a recent precompiled version sitting around? I'm
>>> currently using a precompiled cvs version from April 2005.
>>>
>>>       
>> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryWThirtyTwo
>>     
>
> I tried and plan to switch to EmacsW32. It's latest version at the moment
> is 06-Jan-2006
> (http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/EmacsW32+Emacs/Emacs-from-CVS/patched/).
>
> Unfortunately its "latest version info" seems to be outdated in
> http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html (tells 060101);
> and in
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsW32 (tells 2005-12-09) (?)
> and in 
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryWThirtyTwo (tells 2005-09-27)
> (?).
>   
Thanks Peter and sorry for the mess! I have tried to clean up the 
information.

The latest version uploaded are now 2006-02-01 for the patched version 
and 2006-01-31 for the unpatched version.

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Ramprasad B]

--- Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se> wrote:

> The latest version uploaded are now 2006-02-01 for the patched version 
> and 2006-01-31 for the unpatched version.

But, what about ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ ?
Why are the timestamps of files are still */*/2004 ?
Is there any other place where native emacs and emacs w32 is being placed ?
For native emacs - emacs-21.4a.tar.gz, it is 2/17/2005 ?
Why is this happening ?

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Lennart Borgman]

Ramprasad B wrote:
> --- Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se> wrote:
>
>   
>> The latest version uploaded are now 2006-02-01 for the patched version 
>> and 2006-01-31 for the unpatched version.
>>     
>
> But, what about ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ ?
> Why are the timestamps of files are still */*/2004 ?
> Is there any other place where native emacs and emacs w32 is being placed ?
> For native emacs - emacs-21.4a.tar.gz, it is 2/17/2005 ?
> Why is this happening ?
>   
The files you mention are for the released version of Emacs. I have 
compiled the not yet released but very stable code for w32 and uploaded 
that. (This is often called "CVS Emacs", since the sources are in a CVS 
repository.)

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Ramprasad B]

--- Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se> wrote:

> The files you mention are for the released version of Emacs. I have 
> compiled the not yet released but very stable code for w32 and uploaded 
> that. (This is often called "CVS Emacs", since the sources are in a CVS 
> repository.)

You mean to say the last release of Emacs w32 was 3/10/2004
and that of native Emacs was 2/17/2005 at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/ ?
If so, why is this ?
Why the Emacs is not being released say for every quarter / half month ?
I am surprised ...

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:14:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ramprasad B <ramprasad_i82@yahoo.com>
> 
> Why the Emacs is not being released say for every quarter / half month ?

Because we lack volunteers to come on board and help with maintaining
the huge package that Emacs is.  Please consider this as an invitation
to help us out.

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Ramprasad B]

--- Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> Because we lack volunteers to come on board and help with maintaining
> the huge package that Emacs is.  Please consider this as an invitation
> to help us out.

Thanks for the invitation, Eli.
It's my pleasure to work for GNU.
Sure, i will help for Emacs and GNU growth with my capabilities.
I am a novice person in these tasks, as similarly how i was 
in maintaining the Emacs w32 FAQ :).
Please get me the details of the tasks.
Looking forward to work with the team, GNU.

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Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:08:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ramprasad B <ramprasad_i82@yahoo.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> Sure, i will help for Emacs and GNU growth with my capabilities.
> I am a novice person in these tasks, as similarly how i was 
> in maintaining the Emacs w32 FAQ :).
> Please get me the details of the tasks.

The first step would be to set up a development environment where you
can build Emacs, then download the CVS version and build it.  After
that, look in the file admin/FOR-RELEASE for the urgent tasks, and in
etc/TODO for more long-term ones.  Searching for "TODO" and "FIXME" in
src/w32*.c will show some Windows-specific jobs that await volunteers.
Finally, subscribe to emacs-devel@gnu.org where you will read about
issues that need to be taken care of, on a day-to-day basis.

TIA

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Jason Rumney]

Ramprasad B wrote:
> --- Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se> wrote:
>
>   
>> The latest version uploaded are now 2006-02-01 for the patched version 
>> and 2006-01-31 for the unpatched version.
>>     
I haven't seen the context of the above, but I assume it is talking 
about unofficial CVS snapshots.

> But, what about ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ ?
>   
> Why are the timestamps of files are still */*/2004 ?
> Is there any other place where native emacs and emacs w32 is being placed ?
> For native emacs - emacs-21.4a.tar.gz, it is 2/17/2005 ?
>   
The latest Windows binaries are 21.3. No binaries were released for 21.4 
or 21.4a
> Why is this happening?
>   
Because fixes for compiling on Windows with modern versions of 
gcc/mingw32 that were in the Emacs 21 branch of CVS did not make it into 
the 21.4 releases.

RE: Emacs for Windows?

[Drew Adams]

    ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/

Is there an equivalent non-FTP URL? I cannot get to FTP sites behind the
company firewall.

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:32:39 -0800
> 
>     ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
> 
> Is there an equivalent non-FTP URL? I cannot get to FTP sites behind the
> company firewall.

Use the same URL via the HTTP protocol:

    http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/

RE: Emacs for Windows?

[Drew Adams]

    >     ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
    > 
    > Is there an equivalent non-FTP URL? I cannot get to FTP sites 
    > behind the company firewall.
    
    Use the same URL via the HTTP protocol:
        http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/
    
Duh. Ignorant I am.
Thanks Eli.

RE: Emacs for Windows?

[Drew Adams]

        >     ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
        >
        > Is there an equivalent non-FTP URL? I cannot get to FTP sites
        > behind the company firewall.

        Use the same URL via the HTTP protocol:
            http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/

    Duh. Ignorant I am. Thanks Eli.

Actually, I was thinking of this binary (I wrote the wrong URL before):
ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/. I tried http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex,
but that just times out ("server unreachable"). Likewise for
http://alpha.gnu.org/.

How can I get to this binary via http? Thx.

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:08:31 -0800
> 
> Actually, I was thinking of this binary (I wrote the wrong URL before):
> ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/. I tried http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex,
> but that just times out ("server unreachable"). Likewise for
> http://alpha.gnu.org/.
> 
> How can I get to this binary via http? Thx.

I don't think you can: alpha.gnu.org doesn't have the http gateway.
Sorry.

RE: Emacs for Windows?

[Drew Adams]

    > Actually, I was thinking of this binary (I wrote the wrong 
    URL before):
    > ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/. I tried 
    http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex,
    > but that just times out ("server unreachable"). Likewise for
    > http://alpha.gnu.org/.
    > 
    > How can I get to this binary via http? Thx.
    
    I don't think you can: alpha.gnu.org doesn't have the http gateway.
    Sorry.

That would explain it. Thanks for replying.

Re: Emacs for Windows?

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Feb 16 2006, Lennart Borgman wrote:

> Peter Tury wrote:
>> (http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/EmacsW32+Emacs/Emacs-from-CVS/patched/).
[...]
> The latest version uploaded are now 2006-02-01 for the patched version and
> 2006-01-31 for the unpatched version.

Do they include the C and Lisp sources?  (I cannot unpack the *.exe
files on GNU/Linux and I didn't find this information when browsing
the server yesterday?  If not, you must provide the sources too as
required by the GPL.

See <news:v9wtg8ef9y.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> and
<news:85acd45r9q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> in comp.emacs.

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