From: Martin Monsorno <monsorno@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: how to change file coding system
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:20:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dduvej$rhi$1@schlund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.3911.1124191758.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:
> Am 16.08.2005 um 11:22 schrieb Martin Monsorno:
>
>> ,----
>> | monsorno@mmdev ~/work/workspace.c/gmx $ file bla*
>> | bla.eclipse: UTF-8 Unicode text
>> | bla.emacs: ISO-8859 text
>> `----
>>
>> Opening "bla.eclipse" with emacs, shows me the string
>> "�berfall". Changing the file encoding with "C-x <RET> f
>> iso-latin-1-unix" and saving leads to:
>
> The correct way would have been, once you've opened the file
> bla.eclipse and Emacs came up showing `-0:´ as start of the mode-line
> (stating ISO Latin-1 or ISO Latin-15 encoding), C-x <RET> r utf-8-unix
> <RET>: re-open the file in UTF-8 encoding, to view it in its natural
> mood.
Hmm, I cannot make something showing off in the modeline, regardless
of how I open one of the files (I tried to open bla.eclipse with
both iso-8859-1 and utf-8 specified). (describe-variable
'buffer-file-coding-system) says:
buffer-file-coding-system's value is raw-text-unix
Local in buffer bla.eclipse; global value is mule-utf-8
AND this output is the same with file "bla.emacs", which is a
8859-latin1 file. :-?
> When you now save the file in ISO Latin-1 encoding, having applied C-x
> <RET> f (set-buffer-file-coding-system), GNU Emacs does the conversion.
> Instead of C3 BC it writes only FC. The file size will be reduced by
> one byte.
To make it just more exciting, I tried something more:
1) Created a file called "bla.created-by-emacs" containing the string
"überfall" with emacs.
2) Copied this file to "bla.changed-by-eclipse".
3) Opened this file with eclipse.
4) Saved this file with eclipse.
5) Created a new file with eclipse "bla.created-by-eclipse" containing
the same string.
6) ls -l bla*
-rw-r--r-- 1 monsorno users 11 17. Aug 11:00 bla.changed-by-eclipse
-rw-r--r-- 1 monsorno users 10 17. Aug 10:35 bla.created-by-eclipse
-rw-r--r-- 1 monsorno users 9 17. Aug 10:58 bla.created-by-emacs
7) file bla*
bla.changed-by-eclipse: UTF-8 Unicode text
bla.created-by-eclipse: UTF-8 Unicode text
bla.created-by-emacs: ISO-8859 text
8) Visiting bla.changed-by-eclipse with emacs shows "�berfall"
9) Visiting bla.chreated-by-eclipse with emacs shows "überfall"
So we now have 3 files containing the "same" string, 2 of them claim
to be utf-8, but they use a different encoding (2 or 3 bytes). For
all 3 files, when opening the in emacs, buffer-file-coding-system's
value is raw-text-unix. Emacs can only display "bla.created-by-emacs"
correctly, eclipse can only display "bla.created-by-eclipse"
correctly.
> The C-x RET commands *do not* change a buffer's (or a file's) contents,
> they just put some new skin on the buffer so that your view on the
> buffer's (i.e. file's) contents is adapted in a certain way: you can
> see a buffer's (or file's) whatever contents in green, blue, red,
> yellow, cyan ... utf-8, Mac-Roman, NeXT, koi-r8, euc-jp-unix ...
> encoding/view.
I think I understood this. But this means that I can change the
file-encoding of a file with emacs, doesn't it?
> Eclipse might be fooling you. The character `ü´ is encoded in UTF-8 as
> C3 BC or, translating the two hex codes into ISO Latin-1 (or -15)
> characters, as: à ³. What you cite in your eMail, � or in HTML
> �, is *not* UTF-8.
Yes, or at least, it does not look like an 'ü' ;-)
What I cite in my mails are the strings as emacs shows them to me when
loading one of the files. So the question is, /why/ are they not
UTF-8? Does eclipse do a wrong latin-1 to utf-8 conversion?
--
Martin
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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-08-12 8:34 how to change file coding system Martin Monsorno
2005-08-12 11:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3519.1123846596.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-08-12 12:32 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2005-08-12 15:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-12 15:36 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-08-12 13:33 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-12 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-12 15:52 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2005-08-12 16:33 ` Joe Corneli
[not found] ` <mailman.3561.1123859480.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-08-16 9:22 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-16 11:20 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-08-17 4:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2005-08-17 9:20 ` Martin Monsorno [this message]
2005-08-17 12:22 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-17 19:09 ` Peter Dyballa
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2005-08-18 8:40 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-18 11:37 ` Peter Dyballa
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2005-08-19 10:20 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-19 13:24 ` Peter Dyballa
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2005-08-23 9:20 ` Martin Monsorno
[not found] ` <mailman.4004.1124251989.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-08-17 9:26 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-17 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.4071.1124303238.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-08-18 8:05 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-19 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23 21:23 ` Jason Rumney
2005-08-25 7:52 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-25 22:18 ` Peter Dyballa
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2005-08-26 9:52 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-26 10:48 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-08-26 18:12 ` Kevin Rodgers
2005-08-26 18:56 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-08-26 9:59 ` Reiner Steib
2005-08-29 0:51 ` Jason Rumney
2005-08-31 8:46 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-31 9:18 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-31 9:56 ` Reiner Steib
2005-09-08 15:21 ` Martin Monsorno
2005-08-31 9:55 ` Reiner Steib
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