From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Using "Emacs Configure" **and** modifying .emacs
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:46:31 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dc709973-15fe-4450-a594-670a8bbda20f@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <867ey9sva2.fsf@zoho.com>
> > There are some custom settings (I'm afraid
> > I can think of anything specific at the
> > moment) where setting them via
> > `customize-...' also triggers a setting up
> > function, which incorporates the new setting
> > into something deeper than just
> > a variable value.
>
> Let's see: a variable that triggers a function
> when it (the variable) is set, only that only
> works when it is set with a specific function?
>
> And what happens if the variable is the the
> old-fashion way? An inconsistent state as there
> is now a mismatch between the variable value
> and the un-triggered function?
>
> Well, hell. In my experience, bad ideas can't
> be circumvent by dealing with them the
> supposedly right way. That can only prolong the
> time before you realize it is a bad idea.
Yes, it is perhaps unfortunate that there is not a
more pervasive way to detect setting and thus trigger
application of the `:set' function.
On the other hand, this is Lisp, which means that code
can be generated and evaluated later etc., and it might
sometimes not be correct to trigger the function - at
least one can imagine that one size does not fit all
situations.
Still, I think we could improve things in this regard.
Perhaps by a symbol property that is checked when the
variable is set in any way (e.g. including by `set'
and `setq'). And perhaps by checking that some other
property or variable value does not override that
automatic set-triggering behavior. Dunno.
But the lesson _here_ is simply that this is the way
things are, and it behooves a Lisp users to be aware
of it. If you don't want to get bit then it is a good
idea to "deal with them the supposedly right way."
And that's not hard to do: just use `customize-variable'
instead of `setq', for user options. How hard is that?
If you want something shorter, define an alias...
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Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-10 13:51 Using "Emacs Configure" **and** modifying .emacs Ronald Fischer
2017-08-10 15:59 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-10 16:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 17:24 ` John Ankarström
2017-08-13 20:16 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 17:32 ` John Ankarström
2017-08-10 16:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-08-10 16:56 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-11 7:21 ` Ronald Fischer
2017-08-11 13:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-11 14:11 ` Tomas Nordin
[not found] ` <mailman.12937.1502460691.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-11 15:20 ` notbob
2017-08-11 15:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-11 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-11 19:07 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-11 19:15 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-12 15:53 ` ken
2017-08-12 16:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 16:24 ` ken
2017-08-13 20:19 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.12941.1502465490.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-11 15:57 ` notbob
2017-08-11 16:37 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.12935.1502459723.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-11 14:09 ` HASM
2017-08-11 15:20 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.12940.1502464872.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-11 18:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-08-11 20:08 ` HASM
2017-08-11 20:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-11 20:46 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-08-11 22:12 ` (1) defcustom :set, (2) similar for defvar Drew Adams
2017-08-12 0:15 ` Using "Emacs Configure" **and** modifying .emacs Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 7:30 ` tomas
2017-08-12 7:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 8:02 ` tomas
2017-08-12 10:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 10:38 ` Tomas Nordin
2017-08-12 11:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-15 22:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-15 22:18 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-15 22:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-15 23:38 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-16 0:09 ` John Mastro
2017-08-16 0:37 ` Robert Thorpe
2017-08-16 1:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-16 0:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-15 22:25 ` John Mastro
2017-08-15 22:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-15 23:09 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-16 0:07 ` John Mastro
2017-08-16 0:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 12:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-12 16:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-12 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-12 0:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-14 16:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-14 18:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-14 21:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-14 23:17 ` John Mastro
2017-08-15 0:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-08-15 2:20 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.12888.1502380810.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-10 17:47 ` Dan Espen
2017-08-10 18:06 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-10 18:10 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.12897.1502388423.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-10 19:08 ` Dan Espen
2017-08-10 19:14 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.12899.1502392471.21957.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-08-11 12:03 ` Dan Espen
2017-08-11 13:46 ` Emanuel Berg
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