From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "p.daniels" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87bq0prh39.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216993416 15500 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2008 13:43:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:43:36 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 25 15:44:25 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMNac-0004Yf-VA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:44:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45261 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMNZj-0000pV-9Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:43:15 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!x29g2000prd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.168.83.68 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216963860 6115 127.0.0.1 (25 Jul 2008 05:31:00 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: x29g2000prd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.168.83.68; posting-account=1wwFXwoAAAD-xx1bnpSGrqU0dBNS66j3 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.15) Gecko/20080702 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/2.0.0.15, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160581 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:41:44 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55932 Archived-At: Sorry about the half-post. Google Groups, you are my nemesis... On Jul 22, 6:03 pm, "Juanma Barranquero" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 18:58, Bastien Guerry wrote: > > How many users are complaining about the fact that it's not easy to open > > and close a file with Emacs? As long as this is not a *major* problem, > > let's not consider whether it's good or not to change Emacs terminology. > I don't see the relevance of that question (my fault, I'm sure). I was > under the impression that the relevant question would be: "how much > difficult is for beginners to learn Emacs when they read about buffers > and frames and keybindings, instead of X and Y and Z?" [where X, Y and > Z are suitable terms commonly used in other environments] Hi there, long time listener first time caller here. I guess I would still call myself a beginner with emacs; I've been using it <2 years, and I'm certainly not a programmer, I use it for text (as in prose) work, sometimes I putz around in dired. Noob, right. Now, honestly the main reason that I use emacs is _because_ to me, it provides a more satisfying conceptualization of the way I am working with my text and my files and my *work* (again, I emphasize that I'm not a programmer). When I first read about the concept of buffers, not only did I immediately comprehend it, it seemed like an elegant concept, I like the aesthetic of it. Now obviously I'm kind of a fringe case, but this seemed like an appropriate place to chime in with my two bits. best regards p.daniels