From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:45:09 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d8cb47626bdda035773a@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o8gr1oom.fsf@posteo.net>
[Why did you write your first mail off-list, your second one Cc'd to
emacs-devel, and your third one Cc'd to help-gnu-emacs?]
>> When you install a package whose purpose is to change the user
>> interface, you expect it will change the user interface, don't you?
>> When you install an ad-blocker in your browser, you expect it will
>> block ads, don't you?
>
> Again, the browser is a different situation.
>
For most users, it is not. I guess you think the browser or GIMP are
different situations, because you see them as mere tools, whereas you see
Emacs as "more than a tool". That's not the case for most Emacs users,
for them Emacs is just a tool. FWIW, when I open another editor, I see
and use it as a mere tool for another task.
>
> This kind of aggressive behaviour just makes harder because you don't
> know what is going on. This is how you confuse newcomers.
>
Regular users don't want to know what is going on, they don't care, and
shouldn't have to care; for them an editor is just a tool for another
task.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-11 8:45 UTC|newest]
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2021-02-10 23:35 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Philip K.
2021-02-11 8:45 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-02-11 13:53 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 22:48 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 0:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 13:23 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 14:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 16:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 17:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 17:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 18:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 21:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 0:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 8:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 9:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 13:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 14:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:01 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 16:08 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:28 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:39 ` Nothing is the list - " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 20:14 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 20:58 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 21:18 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 21:32 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 21:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 23:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 6:19 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 6:33 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 8:06 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 18:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-15 0:33 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15 5:59 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 17:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:14 ` libraries (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 18:23 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 0:28 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15 5:02 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-15 11:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-17 9:07 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-20 17:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 18:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 19:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 10:05 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 8:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 12:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 14:26 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:09 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:38 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:45 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 4:45 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-12 9:58 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 16:59 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:59 ` Leo Butler
2021-02-15 19:01 Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 19:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-02-08 10:02 Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 16:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-08 22:01 ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09 0:05 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-10 22:54 ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09 6:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 9:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 11:17 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 17:13 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 17:49 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:12 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-09 19:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 20:52 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 11:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 9:05 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-10 14:42 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-10 14:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 8:13 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-02-09 9:13 ` Gregory Heytings
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