From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:15:06 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d8cb47626b849bacf38a@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pn16a1xn.fsf@posteo.net>
>> No, with one control key you have all characters (not just letters,
>> also digits and symbols), plus all C-something, plus all M-something,
>> plus C-M-something. With one control key and its corrsponding meta key
>> you multiply that number by two.
>
> Ah ok, I get what you mean. Does it really make that much of a
> difference? I'm not sure how many packages you are expecting would add
> default bindings (or how conflict resolution should happen), but do you
> really need more than 26?
>
That reminds me the famous "640 kb should be enough for anyone" ;-)
Indeed, 26 letters is not enough. Magit has three global commands,
Org-mode has three, and Bookmark+ has three keymaps. With just three
packages you've already used 35% of the available keys. I hope you
understand that it can't be a long-term solution. Moreover, AFAIU,
packages cannot automatically bind their commands to C-c LETTER keys
anyway: these keys are strictly reserved for users in their personal
configuration files.
>>>> It's what most users expect. apt install elpa-magit, C-x g, and
>>>> voilà: Magit works.
>>>
>>> How do you come to this conclusion?
>>
>> It's what Magit (and other similar packages) do. The presupposition of
>> the proposal is that such packages know their users.
>
> I only know of Magit that does it, and as I have said before, I think it
> is a mistake and unfriendly. But that still doesn't answer the question.
> Why do you think that users expect it -- not the image that magit has it
> it's users.
>
Being a programmer, I can understand your viewpoint. As a user I can't.
With M-x load-theme <something>, the user interface changes. What makes
keybindings so different from user interface colors that they should
absolutely not be touched when a package is loaded, say with M-x
global-foobar-mode, and require an explicit manual configuration by the
user? Do you also think it's a mistake and unfriendly if a package
installs a menu item? If not, what makes keybindings fundamentally
different from menu items?
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2021-02-10 23:35 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Philip K.
2021-02-11 8:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 13:53 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-02-11 22:48 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 0:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 13:23 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 14:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 16:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 17:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 17:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 18:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 21:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 0:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 8:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 9:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 13:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 14:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:01 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 16:08 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 15:21 ` Jean Louis
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2021-02-13 15:39 ` Nothing is the list - " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 20:14 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 20:58 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 21:18 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 21:32 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 21:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 23:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 6:19 ` Jean Louis
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2021-02-14 8:06 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 18:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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2021-02-14 23:30 ` Drew Adams
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2021-02-15 5:59 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 17:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:14 ` libraries (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 18:23 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 0:28 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15 5:02 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-15 11:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-17 9:07 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-20 17:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 18:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 19:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 10:05 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 8:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 12:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 14:26 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:09 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:38 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:45 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 4:45 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-12 9:58 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 16:59 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:59 ` Leo Butler
2021-02-15 19:01 Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 19:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2021-02-08 10:02 Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 16:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-08 22:01 ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09 0:05 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-10 22:54 ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09 6:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 9:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 11:17 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 17:13 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 17:49 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:12 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-09 19:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 20:52 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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