From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: how to move the contents of the buffer one line up/down? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <6e0qu9F4kpduU2@mid.individual.net> <87lk041y6y.fsf@hubble.informatimago.com> <6e0t60F4okmbU1@mid.individual.net> <87abgk1vhu.fsf@hubble.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216068106 14086 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 20:41:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:41:46 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 14 22:42:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIUsD-0006tE-0A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:42:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36161 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIUrK-0001Wm-UJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:41:22 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216066498 5540 127.0.0.1 (14 Jul 2008 20:14:58 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160219 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55569 Archived-At: On Jul 14, 5:49 am, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote: > Tamas K Papp writes: > > > Sorry for my ignorance, but on most standard PC keyboards, and > > would be PgUp and PgDown? > > I think so. To confirm it, type C-h k PgUp and see if its name is One of emacs's problem that set back today's programers from adapting it is obsolete terminologies. The key names such as , , RET, is one of them. (and Meta, of course) It would be good, if a major new release of emacs, support and use throughout names like or etc instead (The is already supported by at least emacs 22, but not used or widely used in emacs documentations). With this, user don't have to go =E2=80=9Chuh?=E2= =80=9D when reading web pages, guides, blogs, or discussions about typing some keystrokes or keybindings, etc. (whenever we get a question about this, we can probably assume 10 or more users had the same question but didn't bother to ask) For some detail on changes i think that's more critical changes yet easy to make, please see: http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84