From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: emacs stackexchange beta site Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <874mw5q15w.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a95wy73q.fsf@debian.uxu> <87mw9vbezf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87tx439x44.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411159572 23461 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2014 20:46:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:46:12 +0000 (UTC) To: Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 22:46:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XV541-0007Wf-KJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60509 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV541-0005XK-9g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:45:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48717) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV53H-0005C3-9G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:45:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV538-0005Bt-HW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:45:11 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV538-00053B-Bh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s8JKitZ0012618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:44:56 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s8JKishC026817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:44:55 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s8JKisF3026814; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:44:54 GMT In-Reply-To: <87tx439x44.fsf@debian.uxu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100050 Archived-At: > Because you just log in to one site to get to Emacs. > You don't have to be a nomad on several sites and move > back and forth. You don't have to care about any of > that. You just go to the specific site for the specific > purpose. We'll see. > Collecting material that is associated on one place, > logically in categories and so forth, makes the > material more clear, more accessible, etc. >=20 > You yourself said: not another site to monitor! > (pseudo-quote) It is not another site to monitor - it > is *the* site to monitor. We'll see. > By the way, I remember who rewarded you a bounty on > "Linux & Unix" years ago. No idea what you are talking about; sorry. > If you have stayed on SX > since then I take it you are fond of the SX sites. I'm fond of helping people use Emacs. Same reason I answer questions here when I can and I have time. Same reason I file bug reports to improve behavior and doc. If everyone asked their questions here then I wouldn't look for Emacs questions on SO and SuperUser. But this question is not about me. Or about you. > You are fond of Emacs, of course. So: how can it be you > are not found of an Emacs SX site? I don't share your assumption that all Emacs questions and answers will be in the same place. That's all. I asked you what makes you think that, and you just repeat that it will be the case. And yet you acknowledged that it won't be, that some Emacs questions and info will remain on other sites. Which was my point. Not a big deal, but yes, those looking for Emacs info and questions will just end up looking at one more site, AFAICT. > This doesn't make any sense to me. I'm the one not > liking the SX sites and I'm the only one (?) in favor! Maybe your idea of what this proposal amounts to is unrealistic? I don't claim to have a clear idea of what it entails either, which is why I raised the question at the proposal page. No clear answer there, so far. And none here either. Just your claim that tomorrow there will be a chicken in every pot. > > Nothing prevents you from creating Emacs-specific > > tags today. Make them as elaborate as you like. > > Nothing is more elaborate than elaborate-as-you-like. >=20 > In the world of principles, yes. In reality, I can't > see anything else than that an Emacs-specific site will > bring about more material and more advanced material > that will be easier to browse and access. >=20 > > Blah. But I do support the idea of anyone, "at any > > stage", including kids and the supposedly mentally > > challenged, starting to use Emacs. Welcome! >=20 > Not "mentally challenged" - I wrote "morons" - if you > use moronic software, you become a moronic computer > user. Give me a bunch of Counterstrike- and > World of Warcraft-playing kids (morons) and I'll take > them to the woods and turn them into techno warriors, > all using Emacs, Vim, Linux, Solaris, like yedis... Welcome anyway.