From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: beginner el form Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:47:43 -0400 Organization: Ihug Ltd Message-ID: References: <7ebr7weqbn.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1114915161 31568 80.91.229.2 (1 May 2005 02:39:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 02:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 01 04:39:20 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS4MW-0005uh-1v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:39:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS4T7-0004hC-Tk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:46:06 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp-out.svc.us.xo.net!nntp1-feeder.SJ.svc.us.xo.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!news.moat.net!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-173-200-180.nzwide.ihug.co.nz Original-X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1114850741 9350 203.173.200.180 (30 Apr 2005 08:45:41 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:45:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: KNode/0.7.6 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:130568 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:26140 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:26140 Yep. This originally was for an Elisp novice, to start putting together components that could be cut+yanked and evaluated in part - in the one buffer. Eventually "putting it all together" into the final form. As a novice - a little trial and error goes in to auditioning the various functions. And much lookup in the Lisp manual. So, variously-working forms sit side-by-side with better working ones, as we scratch our head and try again. If anyone has any better suggestions, for a novice tinkering away, they would be welcome. Gleaning meaningful info from the debugger would seem to be a candidate for a newbie lesson. Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > Alan Wehmann writes: > >> You should have a *scratch* buffer automatically present. >> That is in the proper mode. > > another way is to explictly create one: > > C-x b hack RET > M-x lisp-interaction-mode RET > > for example, below is some code that bundles this approach > in a convenient (and sometimes cathartic ;-) command. > [ ... ]