From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs in xterm and Cyrillic? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:48:40 -0600 Message-ID: References: <86zmwfv3hj.fsf@localhost.localdomain> <86oecs7kvx.fsf@localhost.localdomain> <86is2v78hs.fsf@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113241937 28853 80.91.229.2 (11 Apr 2005 17:52:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 11 19:52:15 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DL349-00034z-8c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:51:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DL2eI-0004S1-Ql for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DL2dm-0004Og-Dn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DL2di-0004Jb-Li for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:24:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DL2di-0004J9-EV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DL35R-0006nm-Ry for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DL2zn-0002N7-BD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:46:47 +0200 Original-Received: from 207.167.42.60 ([207.167.42.60]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:46:47 +0200 Original-Received: from ihs_4664 by 207.167.42.60 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:46:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.167.42.60 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041105) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <86is2v78hs.fsf@localhost.localdomain> X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25573 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25573 vedm wrote: > My cyrillic files are encoded in iso8859-5, just because that encoding > is within the ASCII set and is enough for the cyrilic script. Yes, I > agree that UTF is better for handling all sorts of languages, but I > still haven't tried to use it in emacs and Xterm. (One disadvantage of > UTF is that the UTF files (at least cyrillic files) are almost two times > bigger compared to ASCII encoded files). That can't be the case, because Cyrillic characters can't even be represented in ASCII. It is true that your Cyrillic files will be encoded in ISO-8859-5 with just 1 byte per character, whereas the Cyrillic characters require 2 bytes in UTF-8 (I don't know about UTF-16). But the actual size of the UTF-8 files will depend on how many Cyrillic vs. ASCII characters are present, since the ASCII characters are still represented as a single byte. -- Kevin Rodgers