From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Platon Pronko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Changes to `make-obsolete` and similar functions make upgrades nearly impossible. Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:37:49 +0800 Message-ID: References: <19fa8e27-3fac-bc1d-0ed7-4c56d40a5351@potamuses.net> <7e85ff18-09c7-f02d-0226-e16aa272802f@gmail.com> <87bkjdepft.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40376"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.1 Cc: Lloyd Zusman , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 24 09:38:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pqqm1-000AOw-Dm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 09:38:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pqqlr-0005kl-Ca; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 03:37:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pqqlp-0005kW-Jl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 03:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-x433.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::433]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pqqlo-0004rM-4f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 03:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-x433.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-63f273b219eso1370569b3a.1 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 00:37:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1682321874; x=1684913874; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3SLqOCHFaVUpXle/xX037LudH7vUkwi6JI+2WEYCsYg=; b=Ws7Dz4w/qtOzF+UoXQ2qA2OUkz7M1mPRNJlFZv1sps2SkYvOWEworQZdAD3vIsGMIP +xr67SieLe4ZvUX89FpGwJOOFOON+/h0DJyBXlpxrsyLGfomEghF8G4Ci+FesINXaXnc 1Qiz4f8GsesK4bNSi2Rg9fg4xx3OLfMYinRH+Px2spAeJ+Fthhqa/Mb8aNwGlMccrxJq /azMGHW9vftGQjpdibKiaTC6ndsllTdtqoQqK686I6j9qyfLp0hFYAQjN96dpgIe0yOv KQuNxY/RIN4Q8FpmsuPC7T8cZwCeFBK+3vD5oqlcTWZKpYI7tCc2YtfYbQhG6+ZLDvgO zlIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1682321874; x=1684913874; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3SLqOCHFaVUpXle/xX037LudH7vUkwi6JI+2WEYCsYg=; b=It73Fznhzddjb95igNn5k0AYBnoYtQQITBhwTDpK5RR0e8+Cl9CKnxAFxIEJ51N/QB XJ36TZouvKf6zD9z87Oe1r1qBZH3c+qQ8+Cas4hGNGsKtx9GrdofE5L3rNL5eF3vsbOx 21yWjNu8IOtRpaCafOojCTbMHkzw84rd/niUheK5QGTqa4XvVcw8fnxVBNG9AhSHy5M7 YDrqRhE2XjLfCA53v1Mx2PtimkTh7j3ccBjgjUlcNs70XGIfWJSzrTmoml6ytRmk7zuc 5mk9fDHBjT9kcgWd6p2ZnLRNlKlI5+dFxRvFQL6QwJ5R49AZzrjvs/sr3SyzOCzxdS3N OJhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9fB7fzM3ntUs5ypNzX6VFvYTOAApNLH9BiwzPoK27yA19s4OTYy vyoGBrAG5ae+PrZvm1cacOw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350ZT4+/BcaLLDU0zyDPHc8SUtRoN58MQm8GMF09u9LarKqLimgSAyMx9ts+bfW2Y2BMzyb4cow== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:1887:b0:624:7c9a:c832 with SMTP id x7-20020a056a00188700b006247c9ac832mr16676740pfh.8.1682321873743; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.170.1.133] ([103.24.106.35]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p17-20020a62ab11000000b0063b898b3502sm6744873pff.153.2023.04.24.00.37.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Apr 2023 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87bkjdepft.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::433; envelope-from=platon7pronko@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x433.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-2.143, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143364 Archived-At: On 2023-04-24 14:59, Po Lu wrote: > Platon Pronko writes: > >> Even the 23.1 release should compile and run fine today. > > This is, alas, no longer true. Nothing prior to Emacs 27.1 compiles and > runs correctly on a recent GNU/Linux system. I guess my point about "updating everything or nothing at all" extends to Operating Systems as well.