From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Rationale behind conversion of a nil prefix arg to numeric 1 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 09:22:22 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87y437c0qg.fsf@bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_40_000> <83oa43d9r8.fsf@gnu.org> <06d4a7f1-f116-fb5c-9bd2-c4d1f98934c9@easy-emacs.de> <83k2ercy5u.fsf@gnu.org> <83bn02cs54.fsf@gnu.org> <83ed1411-dbc1-2fe1-5fe9-4fdc7a4d1b21@online.de> <83shteb26t.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1473146277 9953 195.159.176.226 (6 Sep 2016 07:17:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 07:17:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 06 09:17:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bhAdi-0001ws-Cb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:17:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59556 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bhAdg-0000fK-4z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 03:17:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33401) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bhAbo-0008LO-5m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 03:15:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bhAbj-00053w-Ul for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 03:15:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:55709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bhAbj-00053g-LU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 03:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.16.203]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lzq1j-1b3LpB2HmV-0154GP for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:15:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83shteb26t.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:fAUf4tQppoQRs6jggpRcAdCHp7yYKgauXB5ynLfkSXfeZKr1pkT D5TJrhVqCxj1ytdgSd4H/xUspaeWiLiWu3IUfE0atytzEVK5008CUryWy8n6RumuapzAjqU VeuvOQql2jbzsffU4IT1SDlgVB6j1mqwmfsdd/avKb1AdzjiM8OWESvbFCvcHRTbMyLOMo+ SHFq2YsAN2dQTn+amaeYg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:juu4k1llLxg=:4GHiv0J9m+Jx2RbZlCONKw DQaXVDbyKowl+4RQnP3T2put/khVCpsGBAgQnNpu58Ts62envM4dPUz8PWH7NZxP0I7yPQ1KX b7v5fCTa9Yw8QM3cLdsmArqq+2xr9V0PMB5bH+M5jEiS6ly1gow2ebj8qm47mQY65/ns9NvSL xNQL5kSqpKFex4gWE0pBVydqPNfb/A2OTPkvxD6AWdR+3UBAhWeTibvTFt4FHelQTC521Eh1K mZuxAi8eGlILcZWFfixuNdOBqOFL/k05BNimMQFTlSABHeE9slK5CoH4hXoAn+Vo/g17buIw9 lKJegoauzncIjnFoC9R40fgexCFllyvOqNrV7cEuc1PDHS2Gno3hhgz6VXH0IdAg3N1sDSENe E41T0i4/snnxsfn/lxcEKzpvN2M070g19YS1a01u1IVW5n3eKQLifyXw5UPzkLwac3g+lR6su kicOS5n0M8SYJfVvswYyiM9qlx2VcJn7CI0FtbNIQt4udniPTP6OVbkdoAfva0c1Cc7dETKcb J4W7pT/utDMh7Kk/dxeCnamk0dr/Y3BzJQhB5H6py+IWK4c56Dfl5JKV9CDFzTZnaMgahirWc PRht5tJb1PkZflnB7guufXx2LBy5ui0OnclUwuk2uhleTteXur1TAJCjGpzPTEGaz7am6cYjF NB6U8+mQrs+PhTjpBTUZFPwTApNqH84dMlzXSFpJHdg/roM0DKKUOArTYNJblWVpyWKV4r5tp Ksq+6qqik3+lHMTc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.10 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111279 Archived-At: On 05.09.2016 21:02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii >> From: Andreas Röhler >> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:41:22 +0200 >> >> Leaving out the argument with uppercased P, it sends nil --correct-- >> whose numeric value is considered 1 again. >> >> Understand it might be considered a feature, but think the caused >> inconsistency weights in more. > So you also disagree with nil meaning "the default value", do you? > Because, according to you, nil cannot possibly stand for any value but > zero, At least if something supposed the a "numeric argument". Sure, that might be translated. But than that default should be mentioned when the form is introduced. > without risking to be "inconsistent", is that right? > > But if you do accept that nil can stand for the default value, why > cannot you accept that in the case of repeat count it stands for 1, > i.e. that 1 is the default value in this context? > I can accept that and live with it. Just thought current state is not the best we can have.