From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: info-find-source Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:50:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<86bmhyk2qy.fsf@zoho.com> <87mv1ia0et.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <86a7xhgnag.fsf@zoho.com> <86po6beoxh.fsf@zoho.com> <86h8rmdhie.fsf@zoho.com> <861sim4903.fsf@zoho.com>> <<87zi59616g.fsf@mbork.pl> <86vafx1og8.fsf@zoho.com> <86mv18z4xp.fsf@zoho.com>> <<83bmhos2qd.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1516492462 30719 195.159.176.226 (20 Jan 2018 23:54:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:54:22 +0000 (UTC) To: Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 21 00:54:18 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ed2xP-0006KG-RY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:53:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44750 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ed2zP-0006vi-22 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:55:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44443) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ed2yv-0006ue-BY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:55:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ed2yu-0005hL-Fa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:55:29 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:33732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ed2yq-0005Kp-DM; Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:55:24 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w0KNsWKJ014711; Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:55:13 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=kIratiA39n7OhDb14uoDw/4zpxqW4Ocb1QfyeMlqwi8=; b=vCtkoSxFBC5z9tF88c611Vax5jUrPQ6ETJ+Y+QcS0h+Q1D8rbiiZdNbc0IpZF6n/1uYZ nH7eLwJeT990GjYKJmCm6o16zqJcptah7p3GCwbRnJChL+rfNXBrpsW6UGctxkt7ccH6 gGFM8s0RPwoBs+VxIYPmZV3UJr3C5vNckdmGdZ1GlfNmZKlXdlJKXVMs2ZE4Bs3fNXvu w+DRWt3G5lVbm4CAN/4Oaz7/cihCHasw/RGG4W+dlgyRvgL1KiWfs/dmBn9Rak7J9//G ImMd9eOgGV4yxD58iJLTJM5WXpn545q/mMIK++oZ4uKnonj+9W9LRrSHPuyt+v/T5rYe Cw== Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2fmfus8032-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:55:12 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w0KNoBEZ019202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:50:11 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w0KNo9Z8027352; Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:50:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83bmhos2qd.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4627.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8780 signatures=668655 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=713 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801200341 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.78 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:115806 Archived-At: > > The "by hand" phrasing is where the confusion > > begins because it seems to imply there is > > a better way to "edit" them. But to me it seems > > totally backward to edit the result of > > compilation and I don't think I ever did that > > because wouldn't not only update but also > > recompilation overwrite the edits? > > > > In general one should edit the source! and here > > one could simply keep a text file with any > > extra material. >=20 > That command exists because Info files predate the makeinfo program; > the first Info files were made by hand, because makeinfo didn't yet > exist. Maybe `Info-edit' existed before `makeinfo' and `Texinfo'; I don't recall. But all three are very old. I recall all three back in the 80s, if I'm not mistaken. And `Info-edit' was not deprecated until recently. So unless my memory is mistaken here, the lack of `makeinfo' was not at all the reason that `Info-edit' remained available (and bound to `e') all those years, even if it was the case that it existed before `makeinfo'. `Info-edit' can be useful for someone to simply modify or add a bit of text, without needing `makeinfo' to be available (installed). IOW, it's use cases were never limited to hand-creation of entire manuals. That would give a very false impression, IMHO, of what this command was/is about. For one thing, `Info-edit' is used from Info. I'm not sure it was ever intended to be used to write whole manuals. I'd guess that at least that was not the main use case, especially all those years long.