From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:02:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418547926 25131 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 09:05:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:05:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 10:05:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0579-0004iz-2B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:05:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35405 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0578-0003Ax-GD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 04:05:18 -0500 X-Received: by 10.50.225.36 with SMTP id rh4mr807222igc.1.1418547722189; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:02:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.97.99 with SMTP id dz3mr223259igb.1.1418547722076; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:02:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!h15no9327807igd.0!news-out.google.com!jh1ni11937igb.0!nntp.google.com!h15no9327803igd.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.13.190; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.13.190 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:02:02 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209285 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101565 Archived-At: On Sunday, December 14, 2014 1:53:03 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:45:41 +1000 > Paul Rankin wrote: > > > > Please don't perpetuate this kind of false Robin Hood myth, it's > > wilfully ignorant self-interest under a thin veil of trumped up > > "people vs the system" garbage. Whatever of this self-deception one > > practices, the truth is piracy is stealing from real people. > > It isn't really stealing because information is not a scarce resource. > > The basic misunderstanding is in the fact that some people want to > treat information as property, in the face of the fact that > information is not a concept that can be treated in such a way. > > The entertainment industry have based their business model on the > mistaken idea of treating information as property, and now they are > trying to save it from collapsing by the propaganda that copying is the > same as stealing. But the vast majority of "entertainment consumers" do > not fall for that fallacy. The business model of selling information is > conceptually flawed and should be let to die a bitter death, like any > other flawed business model. > > Artists should make a living by live-performing for audiences and > securing sponsors to support their creative work. Like the rest of the > world does. Scientists for example make a living in exactly that way > --- by being paid to teach science to others and by securing research > grants. And their creative work is free for everyone to read, copy and > "consume" free of charge. And this is *never* considered stealing. > There is no conceptual difference between scientific creativity and > artistic creativity, and the corresponding "product" (i.e. information) > should be treated the same way. > > What would prevent a famous actor/composer/writer to make fantastic > money by giving lessons to others in acting/composing/writing? The > demagogy that poor sorry artists will starve to death if their recorded > art is being copied instead of purchased is just that --- a demagogy. Demagogy... yes, I see a demagogy competition here :-) Consider 1. The market capitalization of google/amazon etc 2. How much that depends on the contributions of GNU/Linux etc 3. Are the reimbursements reasonable (leave aside remotely fair)? JFTR I am not blaming the money-spinning corps. Its just that we do not know yet how to make sense of 'ownership' in a world where suddenly the links between work (aka sweat/blood) and physical objects is no longer what it used to be. Want a single point of blame? Consider rms ;-)