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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: side effects, list sharing   [was: `append' vs. `nconc']
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:15:09 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c9c86c75-d114-4838-b98a-e51e577e626f@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8760zev3xt.fsf@debian.uxu>

> But other then time/space optimization, what would you
> say is the reason not to play it safe/sane and just
> return stuff, new stuff if necessary, but instead
> modify them directly?

You will know it if you see it or when you really need it!

If you don't see a need for sharing list structure then
playing it safe/sane is the right approach.

If you are modifying someone else's code, and you see
structure-modifying code, that is, code that indicates
that list-sharing is going on, then you need to wake up
and take that into consideration.

Otherwise, there is no need to worry about it - just
play it safe/sane and Bob's your uncle.

If you just want to learn about such use cases, look
through existing Lisp code for uses of `setcar' and
company.  I can almost guarantee that they are not
used gratuitously.

And unless you see them used in a clearly local and
safe/encapsulated fashion, look around for what's
really going on, to see why that code uses list-sharing.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-31 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-28 16:35 Error: Setting the shell in sh-mode via a local variable does not work Johannes Kastl
2015-12-29  1:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-29 18:33   ` Johannes Kastl
2015-12-30 14:53     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-30 15:15       ` Robert Thorpe
2015-12-30 15:30         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-30 17:42         ` Johannes Kastl
2015-12-30 15:19   ` Teemu Likonen
2015-12-30 15:41     ` `append' vs. `nconc' (was: Re: Error: Setting the shell in sh-mode via a local variable does not work) Emanuel Berg
2015-12-30 16:37       ` `append' vs. `nconc' Teemu Likonen
2015-12-31  3:37         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1400.1451533083.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  3:45           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  4:00             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31  9:22               ` tomas
2015-12-31 18:48                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1402.1451534421.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  5:36               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  3:50         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1401.1451533833.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  5:37           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  7:13             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31  9:30               ` tomas
2015-12-31 17:56                 ` side effects, list sharing [was: `append' vs. `nconc'] Drew Adams
2015-12-31 19:00                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31 19:15                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-01-01 13:20                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31 18:51                 ` `append' vs. `nconc' Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1440.1451588113.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-01-01  2:53                   ` Barry Margolin
2016-01-01 13:26                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1406.1451546036.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  8:54               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  7:31           ` Teemu Likonen
2015-12-31 18:35             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31 20:04               ` Teemu Likonen
2016-01-01 13:23                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-01-01 14:02                   ` Teemu Likonen
2016-01-01 18:31                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1438.1451586967.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-01-01  6:25               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2016-01-01 13:31                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-01-01 15:04                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1353.1451490125.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-30 16:18       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon

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