From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: When do you prefer windows instead of frames? Was: When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:46:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <87k32jhe6x.fsf_-_@vsl28t2g.ww011> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416930472 30574 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2014 15:47:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:47:52 +0000 (UTC) To: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 25 16:47:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtIL7-0001y2-Ma for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:47:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58125 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtIL7-00071U-97 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:47:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54605) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtIKh-0006ye-Tn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:47:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtIKV-0006oG-9D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:47:15 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtIKV-0006o7-3U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:47:03 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sAPFkx6J015187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:47:00 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAPFkwWQ002748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:46:59 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAPFkw0b029045; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:46:58 GMT In-Reply-To: <87k32jhe6x.fsf_-_@vsl28t2g.ww011> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101169 Archived-At: > > I would ask an opposite question: IF you could use Emacs frames > > as easily as you can use Emacs windows, in what scenarios would > > you prefer using Emacs windows, and why? >=20 > For supporting tasks only: Imagine you are starting from a full-screen > window and want to see temporarily a variable definition in a second > window while still hacking away. The advantage is that window > operations, like C-x } enlarge-window-horizontally, > delete-other-windows-vertically,... operate simultaneously on all > windows. In such situations it seems to me much more convenient to > use windows than set it up with frames. Again - but what "IF you could use Emacs frames as easily as you can use Emacs windows"? That's the question. Pop up a *Help* frame instead of a *Help* window to show help. Hit `C-x 0' to get rid of that frame when you're done. You probably do not need to resize the frame (e.g., if the frame is automatically fit to the size of just the *Help* text). But if you do, then use keys to resize it, just as you would for a window. IOW, think past what you can do with a window (resize, move, control where it pops up, etc.) that you think you cannot easily do with a frame now. I certainly agree that if frames are not made as convenient to interact with (i.e., the same kinds of operations you use on windows) then Emacs windows remain useful. But if Emacs *did* support such operations with frames, out of the box,...