From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: When do you prefer windows instead of frames? Was: When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:52:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <87k32jhe6x.fsf_-_@vsl28t2g.ww011> <5474CD1B.1070605@arlsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416941654 31198 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2014 18:54:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:54:14 +0000 (UTC) To: MBR , dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 25 19:54:07 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtLFU-00019E-Kv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:54:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58993 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtLFU-0000X5-AO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:54:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtLF5-0000KN-42 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:53:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtLEs-0003Zu-Tt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:53:39 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtLEs-0003Zj-Iz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:53:26 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sAPIqvFt015706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:52:58 GMT Original-Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAPIqu7x016870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:52:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAPIqtI0024030; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:52:55 GMT In-Reply-To: <5474CD1B.1070605@arlsoft.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101187 Archived-At: > Be very careful with the phrase "use ... as easily as you > can use ...".=A0 There are some people out there who consider > pointing with the mouse easy. As easily as you can using whatever way you currently interact with windows - keyboard, mouse, foot pedals,... And I made it clear that being able to use only the keyboard (if a user prefers that) is required. That's definitely part of being able to use windows easily and would need to be part of being able to use frames easily. I thought I was clear about this. > There are probably other areas where different Emacs users > would have diametrically opposite views on what they consider > to be easy. Emacs accommodates them all, now, for windows. It would be good for it to do likewise for frames too. That's the point.