From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hadron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:10:41 +0200 Organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark Message-ID: References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <877ioqdoq9.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> <87hcnuc6hz.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185284577 29837 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 13:42:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:42:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 15:42:56 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDKf8-0000Q5-At for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:42:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDKf7-0001Xs-U9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:42:53 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Trace: individual.net fVMxJRA7uSvtYHg3U4t+8Q7DBXbg7RCaGr2hAuBCds1kLQRoNf X-Orig-Path: news.individual.net!news Cancel-Lock: sha1:gmujiXY7QqpO2tMSjfF157DuGEA= sha1:UCehQO0b8JukspnPVlDF6wtpHTc= X-Face: 2h#||Cd#d%F*NCm59[_6/{1a@jy%; |j>{D~4^gKg(^i%7j0IK?+,/GmW&:CD5fEKb_! Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150374 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45951 Archived-At: Pascal Bourguignon writes: > Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> [...] >> That is a possibility but obviously there are much more Japanese or >> French people who use their software now than then. > > Yes, applications. > > >> What good is a software package if it can't be used by linguistically >> challenged people ? > > Linguistically challenged people just cannot program. What has "program" got to do with Emacs, even if you are totally incorrect in your assumption. I know plenty of top notch programmers who are unable to master french or german but are happy with their native english. > > You cannot translate programming languages. This has been tried > several times, BEFORE the Internet existed (eg BASICOIS, a Basic in > French, there was also a Pascal in French, and I bet a number of > variations in other languages). All these experiment failed, because > programs must be readable to be useful, and French is readably only by > French people. Pascal is readable by all programmers! Aha. OK. You are talking about localised lisp? Maybe I got lost here. > > Nowadays, with the Internet and the worldwide job market, it's just > impossible to translate a programming language. And this is what > emacs is. No. That is NOT what emacs is. eLisp is the programming language. Emacs is an infrastructure which supports multiple applications programmed in elisp. They can be localised. > > Now if you implement an application in emacs you may try to proposed > localized versions. But there are very few applications in emacs, > most emacs software keeps the powerful link between the programming > environment and the functionalities provided. Does anybody know an > emacs applications where you can do _everything_ only using menus and > buttons? Or where you would _want_ to do everything that way? I think people are possibly talking at cross purposes here. Or maybe just me?