From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joswig@corporate-world.lisp.de (Rainer Joswig) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: MCL5 Date: 9 May 2003 01:32:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <39d9c156.0305071747.35c7365e@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305080602.7c47d8b5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052469273 7269 80.91.224.249 (9 May 2003 08:34:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 09 10:34:24 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19E3Kh-0001s2-00 for ; Fri, 09 May 2003 10:34:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19E3Lo-0002ze-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 04:35:32 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.233.250.5 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052469171 3064 127.0.0.1 (9 May 2003 08:32:51 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2003 08:32:51 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112975 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9470 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9470 bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) wrote in message news:<39d9c156.0305080602.7c47d8b5@posting.google.com>... > joswig@corporate-world.lisp.de (Rainer Joswig) wrote ... > > bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) wrote in message news:<39d9c156.0305071747.35c7365e@posting.google.com>... > > > > > According to Digitool's web site, MCL currently only runs in Classic > > > and V5.0 is only for selected customers cause it's a preview, not an > > > official release yet. > > > > Why don't you just do the basic research and go to the Digitool > > web site and read it? It says on the front page: > > > > "The beta version of MacOSX native MCL (MCL 5.0) is available for purchase." > > > > Means, you (and everbody else) can buy the beta version and you > > (and everybody else) would get the beta version. Yes, the beta > > version runs under Mac OS X. Native. Yes, lots of people have it. > > OK, I mixed up the preview for selected customers bit, which was LispWorks: > > http://www.lispworks.com/press_releases/press5.html > > > According to Digitool's website as of May 8, 2003, MCL 5 should be *available now* > > http://www.digitool.com/purchase.html says: > > MCL-5 MCL 5.0 (shipping January 2003) $750.00 > MCL-5B MCL 5.0 beta (includes final release above) $495.00 > > There is also a history of almost three years of "OSX version available soon". The beta is available now. A final MCL is not yet available. A new date has not been communicated. > Taking all this into account, why would I not wait until the thing *actually* ships? It is cheaper to get the beta now and later the shipping version. Right? A lot of people who have Lisp-based code written for earlier versions of MCL are already porting this code to the new Carbon-based MCL 5, using the beta version of MCL 5.