From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: face at point Date: 19 Nov 2002 18:20:06 +0900 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87vg2v6crn.fsf@blind-bat.une.edu.au> <87bs4nls2p.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87n0o75sp1.fsf@blind-bat.une.edu.au> <1mptt36lat.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <1mptt2drm5.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037697689 15623 80.91.224.249 (19 Nov 2002 09:21:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18E4ZQ-00043Q-00 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:21:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18E4ZJ-0005s0-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:21:17 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18E4YO-0004iA-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:20:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18E4YJ-0004ZS-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:20:19 -0500 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([210.143.35.51]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18E4YH-0004NL-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:20:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.195]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id gAJ9K9i28295; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:09 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.196]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id gAJ9K8R11558; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:08 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.30.114.133]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id gAJ9K7d16924; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:07 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.10.2+Sun/3.7Wlsi_mx_6.0) with ESMTP id gAJ9K6B15802; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:06 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id B0F5F3815; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:20:06 +0900 (JST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <1mptt2drm5.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> Original-Lines: 33 Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:3754 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:3754 Fredrik Staxeng writes: > preferences. And finally, looking at the default colors in e.g. > font-lock, it's obvious to me that the Emacs maintainers don't really > understand these issues. ... which is a bogus conclusion. People _do_ say `hey these colors look like crap, lets change them,' but often result is some combination of (1) `um, I kinda like them', or (2) `they've been that way for 15 years, we'd better not touch them,' or (3) `maybe we have to do a poll to see if users will object,' ... etc. All of those responses are in fact valid objections, and anyone who really wants to clean up emacs' colors has to be able to deal with them. If someone suceeds in doing so, then the discussion often mires down into an argument about what the best replacements are. Since all the maintainers have usually already customized the colors they hate, it often doesn't seem worth the effort (remember: many people work on emacs because _they_ want to use it, not out of some spirit of giving). I think the light-background defaults stink, but to tell the truth, I really don't care that much, because I use a black background. I _am_ willing to push harder for a dark-background change, and have done so (and I think the dark-background defaults are in fact better, though still hardly perfect). So say what you will about the results (hey everybody has an opinion), the reasons are not quite so obvious. -Miles -- The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --Albert Einstein