From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chiron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:32:07 GMT Organization: TeraNews.com Message-ID: References: <1bqkr.13803$mL3.9455@newsfe23.iad> <5Yxkr.15011$bU5.6213@newsfe04.iad> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335026116 21402 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2012 16:35:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:35:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 21 18:35:15 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLdHG-0003po-Ss for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:35:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51455 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLdHG-0000oj-9E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:35:14 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe02.iad.POSTED!7ed62f90!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Original-Lines: 66 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:32:07 UTC X-Received-Bytes: 3844 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192158 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84573 Archived-At: On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:34:03 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Chiron Date: Sat, >> 21 Apr 2012 14:46:07 GMT >> >> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:10:48 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> From: Chiron Date: >> >> Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:43:45 GMT >> >> >> >> In what way do the maintainers of emacs benefit from having more >> >> users? >> > >> > If you ever maintained a package that others used, you must know that >> > satisfying your users is a very powerful incentive. Frankly, I'm >> > surprised to see this question asked at all. >> >> Well, I'm just going by the behavior of the current maintainers. > > What behavior? Facts, please. > The decision of the maintainers not to implement certain changes. Kindly refer to earlier posts in this thread for more information. >> They aren't making the changes that people seem to want - at least not >> the ones that might gather lots of users. > > Which changes? Facts, please! > Refer to earlier posts in this thread. The specific change wasn't the issue. The issue was whether someone who wants emacs to be different should expect someone else, who hasn't expressed such a desire, to make the changes. And, by extension, whether the maintainers have the right to *not* make changes, even if making those changes might attract lots of new users. >> Satisfying users may be a powerful incentive, but it certainly is not >> the only one. Apparently, it is not the one that motivates the current >> maintainers. > > Without the facts to back this up, I would not consider this > "conclusion" valid. It's not a "conclusion." It's an opinion. My opinion is based on what I see, which is a very limited subset of what occurs. There is no particular reason for you to accept this opinion. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I think you have mistaken my comments for those of someone else. It may be helpful to review the thread to see what I was originally responding to. In case I have been unclear, I am not criticizing the current maintainers of emacs. I am supporting their right to make or not make changes in emacs, as they see fit. I feel that for some reason people are not understanding what I am saying. I'd like to blame it on the reader, but since it's more than one, I have to wonder whether I'm simply not getting my points across. I don't know what more I can do about it, if the fault is with me. And if by some chance the fault isn't with me, there really isn't anything for me to do. -- To find a friend one must close one eye; to keep him -- two. -- Norman Douglas