From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Where is Emacs Lisp taught ? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:27:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <5B8BFDC9-A07B-48FE-8C97-1BB0B84E5577@gmail.com> <865zxruycx.fsf@zoho.com> <875zxr7zke.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1542237989 11331 195.159.176.226 (14 Nov 2018 23:26:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:26:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 15 00:26:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gN4Y9-0002nC-VS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:26:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34556 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN4aG-0007ew-Gc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:28:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42954) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN4Zm-0007cF-3G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN4Zi-0004RY-SL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:38828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN4Zi-0004R7-JF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:27:58 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id wAENEDWp030747 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:27:57 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=YPRfiwRj8jxLT+VsgTM9eTmMV+4L1kYE2SZue5SYHz4=; b=y2jD3W+Q9OhYbTI0WvxVYbWAfU6kA2NEw5y3HzjKr2DJZk7JlILeoc6ubVLvCvMOMwBc vgDdSiVyiC3lTpGDaJC99zVE/Wnp7rbeneiPAbVkEzIOF1AYuyNdkZ+KdOLBw6Kx5L0k 3JUsDe78KIysp/HEPY+jeQDyken4eGao7XVAzzTe+oHPVptN8kNIgqPrl2NHmVSVzWIK p8LOCIgTdBsG+2HzNPcP6yaatQ3VQrYCYkBZBb6wO0+9+06WD9t2+Du4bUqoEPdqkEaY MksdarPJqzhPnZCw9pUMIa1mf4U477BA5PP1Cj+FU4tUq1kCgOMWFSyrn3HHXP1crdxY cQ== Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2nr7cs6h1e-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:27:57 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wAENRuS1021991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:27:56 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wAENRuPf031594 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:27:56 GMT In-Reply-To: <875zxr7zke.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4756.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9077 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=500 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1811140205 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.85 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118668 Archived-At: To come back to the question about learning programming through Emacs and Emacs Lisp, I happened to reread this=20 RMS article today: "EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor" This paper was written by Richard Stallman in 1981 and delivered in the ACM Conference on Text Processing.[1] Section "Blue Sky"[2] says this, apropos: The programmable editor is an outstanding opportunity to learn to program! = A beginner can see the effect of his simple program on the text he is editi= ng; this feedback is fast and in an easily understood form. Educators have = found display programming to be very suited for children experimenting with= programming, for just this reason (see LOGO). Programming editor commands has the additional advantage that a program nee= d not be very large to be tangibly useful in editing. A first project can b= e very simple. One can thus slide very smoothly from using the editor to ed= it into learning to program with it. ---- [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html [2] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html#SEC29