From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Margolin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs changed file's own user and file permission Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:43:13 -0500 Organization: Symantec Message-ID: References: <4ad823b9-4941-4883-8771-de43d50913de@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197441714 11796 80.91.229.12 (12 Dec 2007 06:41:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:41:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 12 07:42:04 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2LIC-0008S1-0j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:42:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2LHu-00010e-4I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:41:46 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!out01a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:43:13 -0600 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Copies-To: never Original-Lines: 24 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.34.108.171 Original-X-Trace: sv3-RchedThgtbbGLrDNZAwbio6YCrEo68NA9YnYymQ/57Lh+f+XW4aZZQ+Q1JTVwOi1EbWUq1iznAJ1J95!QR/ykL0cnVy4CKpG9fLD1L2O7YGBcV1veFRISJXhUz3QUgQgda+gxgVfhhRZd6DgGw7xCArIdNI1!Ftk4V/3tIexzlY8Kf4w9Kcv9oEpAesdhJRQsA1bMgg== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.36 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:154608 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50033 Archived-At: In article , Kevin Rodgers wrote: > Xah Lee wrote: > > Unix-like systems (unixes and linuxes) file systems do not record file > > creation date. (this is one of the major fuckup in unixes, and is a > > fact few unix people knew, even senior unix sys admins. (I'm not sure > > what file system linuxes uses now, but is so up to 2004)) > > Apparently this is a fact that you don't know, either: > > http://www.unix.com/showthread.php?p=79750 > http://m0j0.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/unix-mtime-vs-ctime/ What point are you trying to make with these references? They both describe ctime, which is NOT the file creation date. They agree with Xah's statement of fact, although they don't state an opinion about the design decision like he does. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***