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From: Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Optimising Elisp code [again]
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:18:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <barmar-24519F.12181710102018@reader.eternal-september.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 86ftxfm98q.fsf@zoho.com

In article <86ftxfm98q.fsf@zoho.com>, Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> 
wrote:

> Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
> 
> > Btw, what would it change to make emacs
> > hosted by gcl
> 
> I mean, compile the Lisp that isn't user
> defined and unlikely to change - compile for
> real, not byte-compile for
> sped-up interpretation.
> 
> I.e.: fun-and-play Elisp on the top
>       compiled Elisp in the middle
>       C downmost
> 
> ?

The Elisp interpreter is probably tightly intertwined with the Emacs 
editor code. Disentangling them so you can compile Elisp to machine code 
would be a big project, and probably not worth it.

Byte-code interpretation is common in many modern languages, it makes it 
easier for the languages to be portable. Python and PHP both compile to 
byte code rather than machine code. It's generally fast enough for 
interactive applications. For computationally-intensive applications, 
there are often libraries that can be linked in, like Numpy for Python.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-10 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 285+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-05  2:15 Optimising Elisp code Davin Pearson
2018-10-05  2:19 ` Davin Pearson
2018-10-05  9:46   ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 10:58   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-05 10:03 ` tomas
2018-10-05 14:28 ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-05 14:42   ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 15:04     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 17:05       ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1736.1538759161.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-05 17:23         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 17:46           ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1737.1538762057.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-05 18:50             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:14               ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:17                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:26                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 19:40           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1741.1538768445.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-05 21:55             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-05 18:04       ` James K. Lowden
2018-10-05 19:02         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07  2:57     ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-06 10:45   ` Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-06 14:40   ` Optimising Elisp code Stefan Monnier
2018-10-06 16:55     ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-06 19:24       ` tomas
2018-10-06 19:55         ` Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-06 20:27           ` tomas
2018-10-06 21:42             ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-07  8:10               ` tomas
2018-10-07 13:56                 ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1787.1538899813.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:54                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1775.1538857674.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:52             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 13:19               ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1792.1538918415.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 15:59                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 16:30                   ` Optimising Elisp code [again] Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.1805.1538929865.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 14:11                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 14:43                       ` tomas
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.1852.1539009893.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09  0:38                         ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-09  6:26                           ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09  8:07                             ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.1903.1539072429.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09 13:28                               ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09 15:03                                 ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.1911.1539097442.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09 15:26                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09 19:35                                     ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-10 16:18                                     ` Barry Margolin [this message]
2018-10-10 20:53                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-10-10 23:54                                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.1975.1539205047.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-11 18:10                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-12 19:52                                           ` Robert Thorpe
2018-10-07 16:10                 ` Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 16:35                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-07 19:35                   ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-08 14:18                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 15:23                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-08 20:52                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09  0:41                       ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-09  6:35                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-10 16:24                           ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-10 16:32                             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-11 19:29                               ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-11 20:05                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-12 22:32                                   ` Barry Margolin
2018-10-12 23:03                                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-13 20:51                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-14  7:55                                       ` tomas
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.2146.1539503732.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-14 19:10                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-15  8:25                                           ` tomas
     [not found]                                           ` <mailman.2179.1539591977.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-15 19:27                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-16  0:55                                               ` Van L
2018-10-17  0:20                                               ` Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                                               ` <mailman.2284.1539735662.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-17  6:49                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-10 20:50                             ` Óscar Fuentes
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.1806.1538930105.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 14:14                     ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 15:37                       ` Naming, and Gnus functions length [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.1860.1539013068.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 15:43                         ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 15:52                           ` Naming, and Gnus functions length [ Garreau, Alexandre
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1863.1539013974.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 16:39                             ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 20:03                           ` Naming, and Gnus functions length [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1874.1539029031.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-08 20:44                             ` Why is Elisp slow? (was: Re: Naming, and Gnus functions length [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]]) Emanuel Berg
2018-10-08 23:53                               ` Why is Elisp slow? Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-09 12:27                                 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.1893.1539042845.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-09  6:23                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-10-09  8:05                                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-09 15:04                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02  4:49                                   ` Van L
2019-05-02  7:56                                     ` tomas
2019-05-02 11:06                                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 13:18                                         ` tomas
2019-05-02 15:34                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 19:13                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 19:45                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04 11:55                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 20:00                                               ` tomas
2019-05-04 11:52                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-02 19:33                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-02 19:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 20:12                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-02 20:20                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 21:40                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-02 23:39                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-03  0:44                                                         ` Ergus
2019-05-03  1:06                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 10:36                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-03 11:52                                                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 12:44                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 12:58                                                                   ` Ergus
2019-05-03 14:00                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 22:57                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-04 13:32                                                                       ` Ergus
2019-05-04 14:03                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-04 22:41                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-04 22:56                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-04 23:19                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-05 15:40                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06  6:53                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-06  8:25                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-05  0:12                                                                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-05  3:15                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-05  0:43                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-05-05  3:07                                                                             ` 조성빈
2019-05-05 15:50                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06  7:33                                                                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-06  9:03                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 10:51                                                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-06 12:58                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-06 13:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 16:17                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-06 17:25                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 17:45                                                                                         ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 18:08                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 18:18                                                                                             ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 18:47                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-06 20:23                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-06 20:41                                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 21:45                                                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-06 22:03                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-06 23:07                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-07 10:49                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-07 11:51                                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 12:38                                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-07 12:56                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-07 13:01                                                                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 13:04                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-07 13:14                                                                                                           ` Ergus
2019-05-07 13:43                                                                                                             ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 14:22                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-07 14:41                                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-09  9:49                                                                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-10  3:20                                                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  4:26                                                                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-10  4:35                                                                                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  8:27                                                                                                                       ` tomas
2019-05-07 13:16                                                                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-07 13:40                                                                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-06 20:51                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-07  2:35                                                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  5:14                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-05-06 13:18                                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-06 13:33                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-06 14:04                                                                                     ` 조성빈
2019-05-10  7:20                                                                                       ` Van L
2019-05-10 14:38                                                                                         ` Lisp, C, and C++ (was: Re: Why is Elisp slow?) Emanuel Berg
2019-05-10 14:49                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-06 23:39                                                                                     ` Why is Elisp slow? Emanuel Berg
2019-05-05  5:25                                                                             ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-05 13:19                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-05 13:46                                                                               ` Ergus
2019-05-06  7:01                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-05 12:51                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10  3:15                                                                           ` Van L
2019-05-04 14:10                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 12:51                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-03 13:16                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 13:32                                                                     ` Ergus
2019-05-03 14:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-04  0:32                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-04 11:29                                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-03  1:45                                                           ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-03  7:00                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03  9:58                                                             ` Ergus
2019-05-03 12:41                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 22:18                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-04 13:27                                                                 ` Ergus
2019-05-04 13:38                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-04  0:33                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-03  7:08                                                           ` tomas
2019-05-10 13:14                                                           ` Van L
2019-05-10 13:22                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-10 14:44                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11  0:38                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11  1:55                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-11  2:16                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11  7:32                                                                 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) tomas
2019-05-11  7:42                                                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:57                                                                     ` tomas
2019-05-11 14:30                                                                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 17:01                                                                         ` tomas
2019-05-11 23:09                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12  7:54                                                                         ` tomas
2019-05-12  8:09                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12  9:46                                                                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-12 14:21                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 14:45                                                                               ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 15:28                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 15:46                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 17:20                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 18:37                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 18:53                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:44                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:18                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-12 22:22                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:39                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14 15:09                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13  0:57                                                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-13 12:37                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 14:23                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:33                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14  8:24                                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-14 13:21                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 14:44                                                                                                     ` tomas
2019-05-15 11:25                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 12:05                                                                                                         ` tomas
2019-05-15 23:02                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16  6:48                                                                                                             ` tomas
2019-05-16  9:37                                                                                                               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-16 11:02                                                                                                                 ` tomas
2019-05-23 14:23                                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-24  1:33                                                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-05-16 13:31                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23 14:28                                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-23 14:54                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-23 14:55                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06  5:18                                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-16 14:45                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-25  4:53                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-13  1:52                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13  1:35                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:01                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13  1:27                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:38                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:00                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:25                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 11:54                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 16:21                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 17:05                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 18:30                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 11:27                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 14:51                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 23:19                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-17  6:41                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:02                                                                                       ` John Yates
2019-05-13 15:14                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 22:40                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14  6:27                                                                                       ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-14 13:10                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:42                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-05-17 15:17                                                                                 ` Ken Goldman
2019-06-04  1:36                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-24  4:28                                                                         ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 19:08                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08  0:26                                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08  0:30                                                                     ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08  8:52                                                                     ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:00                                                                       ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 21:14                                                                         ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:44                                                                           ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 23:29                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-11  4:10                                                                             ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-09  6:46                                                                         ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 20:23                                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 23:26                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-13  6:10                                                               ` Why is Elisp slow? Van L
2019-05-03  6:55                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03  2:39                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-03  6:51                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-02 19:10                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-05-03 23:34                                         ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-04  6:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1772.1538855722.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:45           ` Knowing where a function has been used (bis) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code] Emanuel Berg
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1752.1538822765.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 12:41     ` Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) " Emanuel Berg
2018-10-07 13:46       ` Getting functions usage examples [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-08  0:07         ` Van L
2018-10-08 15:40           ` Getting functions usage examples [ Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-09  9:33             ` Van L
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1798.1538920786.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-07 15:38         ` Getting functions usage examples [Was: Re: Knowing where a function has been used (e.g. for optimizing) [Was: Re: Optimising Elisp code]] Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.2089.1539373965.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-10-13 18:00 ` Optimising Elisp code [again] Emanuel Berg

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