From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Elena Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:26:05 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <0d3b97e2-c21c-4a83-a8dc-1ba186a5a405@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292964046 25133 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2010 20:40:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 21 21:40:40 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PV90h-0007gZ-D9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:40:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59702 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PV90g-0002Fn-Ly for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:40:38 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.36.79.160 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1292963165 7304 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2010 20:26:05 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=94.36.79.160; posting-account=AFCLjAoAAABJAOf_HjgEEEi3ty-lG5m2 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183510 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77753 Archived-At: On Dec 21, 3:06=A0pm, Andrea Crotti wrote: > Elena writes: > > > Oh, and makefiles are so old-school. =A0Upgrade yourself to something > > more modern an IDE-friendly. > > What are you talking about, old-school :D? > > Plain makefiles maybe because they're not easily portable, but > autoconf/cmake are used by I think all from small to huge opensource > projects. That's what I was talking about: makefiles are akin to assembly language, with shell commands being the corresponding machine- language. You should be "compiling" an higher-level language (that is, a language which understands projects: CMake, etc.) to makefiles. > > About the rest, I really don't think an IDE is better/faster than a good > customized emacs. That's the problem: every Emacs power user seems to be chasing this holy grail of a greatly customized Emacs, but I have yet to see a customized Emacs matching a customized IDE. > I see how my collegueas work with those IDE and frankly I feel sorry for > them, and I can do anything twice as fast more or less ;) That's their fault, not their IDE's. Comparing an heavily customized Emacs to a vanilla IDE is not fair. Moreover, I can edit the same source file both in Emacs and Visual Studio, and each side is just an hot-key away. I use each tool for its intended purpose: the text- editor (Emacs) to edit text, the code-editor (IDE) to edit code.