From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Adding colour when font-lock in disabled Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:26:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <838rjh12ar.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3036"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 09 09:27:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p3YjE-0000at-Nt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 09:27:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3Yim-0002YK-6i; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:27:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3Yil-0002YA-4r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:27:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.130]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3Yij-0000zv-4n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:27:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1670574418; x=1670833618; bh=k5YZaE5dhmdgPlBoAAsr1Xpa/o0VhmKA/KvgI3qqc7U=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=S/sNxVoRjOhvV1viuFzvkp8WhZ0i0h/e3tHtFKXVWTb7U67aqWMRGKzJXDjOZPj3H 1Ayskfj2W+0MhyUBuHH7txHv2npJYY/8TZigEhZDzOj+exUvFoyulZ4FHwhva4xWIp KWcwP9gqSJorYrHVFijWgAesds2Ex4aiGps/n2tcLP+M4W5hwvfFrGK2OAQ2Q94HMZ /fRh5XJYANS7SW9AMqG0gcHSeT8v5fbhJGIGZ6531HLhlH10mjqbwcfbBcmSI0V3vY AW0pDKHeaXDK8Ig4rlCJ3CvCeLxS6huUV3NxT31WS94eAMX1FdeA1TclXC0S0jiuN4 g2tma31pkeFnQ== In-Reply-To: <838rjh12ar.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.130; envelope-from=heimeborgia@protonmail.com; helo=mail-40130.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:141501 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, December 9th, 2022 at 7:09 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrot= e: > > Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 01:46:18 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: Heime via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor help-gnu-emacs@g= nu.org > >=20 > > > From what I understand, when font-lock-mode is enabled, it takes over= the face property but provides an alias property - font-lock-face. The fon= t-lock-face property bypasses font-lock to allow coloured text. > >=20 > > Really weird stuff because if you want to allow someone to specify face= property, just allow them to specify it. >=20 >=20 > What is weird about it? font-lock-mode places face properties > according to the mode's definitions, so it will overwrite any face > properties you put manually. Thus the need to use a different > property, which font-lock-mode doesn't control. If I want to use and enforce colour property, could there be a function th= at sets the colour irrpespective of whether font-lock is "on" or "off" ? Perhaps I should avoid using fundamental-mode as a useful mode to work with= . Is it a rule that when a new buffer is made, it goes into fundamental-mo= de where font-lock is off ?