From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: How the backquote and the comma really work? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87vbebg1fs.fsf@mbork.pl> <1e190a42-19c5-4755-b263-4334c402619a@default> <877fqrbpij.fsf@web.de> <87ioabfwm7.fsf@mbork.pl> <87mvzn37cq.fsf@web.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435262828 32175 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2015 20:07:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:07:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Michael Heerdegen , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 25 22:06:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8DQD-0006VV-7w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 22:06:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57314 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8DQC-000630-Im for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56427) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8DPI-0005Ka-O4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8DPE-0000k6-OI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:05:56 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40158) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8DPE-0000io-IB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:05:52 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t5PK5paM009082 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:05:51 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t5PK5ogI016332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:05:50 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t5PK5o6g019784; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:05:50 GMT In-Reply-To: <87mvzn37cq.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105182 Archived-At: > > Interesting. I have print-quoted set to nil, however, M-: > > (eval-expression, or in my case - icicle-pp-eval-expression) does > > not show what you have here. Does eval-expression (or its Icicles > > counterpart) mess with print-quoted? >=20 > AFAICT the Icicles version uses the pp ("pretty print") library. pp > binds `print-quoted' unconditionally to t when printing. Right, on both counts. Marcin, you can use `eval-expression' instead of `M-:' (i.e., even with Icicles): M-x eval-expression RET Eval: (let ((print-quoted nil)) (read "`',foo")) RET (\` (quote (\, foo)))