From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Vyacheslav Akhmechet" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Arrowless navigation Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <877izx5e3y.fsf@robotron.kosmorama> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1158860985 26660 80.91.229.2 (21 Sep 2006 17:49:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 21 19:49:44 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSdb-0002VH-N1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:47:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSdb-0004wR-89 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSdA-0004gU-Al for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSd8-0004fQ-BR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSd8-0004fJ-7f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.182.186] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQSgg-0002JT-RS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:50:15 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so907708nfc for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dJNSg3LA2TqlePfqlUS0ehWI8Q5O7aFTzw5JKRAFHOn3jWthaBzpTCZvLe/sKpx8aoVhLF/0vK3D9QO3DXzS7s8SGCyan/XXJv1exqG9LkudnhL+M5TJqJ8fW7GnmZKExxlvTPr+wipVfj4NOLqHXaxKPdC+ibZb16B8tZJk2NI= Original-Received: by 10.78.148.8 with SMTP id v8mr5246932hud; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.78.176.8 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <877izx5e3y.fsf@robotron.kosmorama> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37547 Archived-At: I just switched my CapsLock and control keys and I'm running into problems. It's actually ok within emacs but I can't edit everything there all the time and having to use CapsLock with c and v to copy/paste in other pieces of software is a big pain. In general it seems like default emacs bindings / conventions aren't very ergonomic. Makes me consider trying VI :) On 9/21/06, David Hansen wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:17:44 -0400 Vyacheslav Akhmechet wrote: > > > I recently disabled the arrow keys to avoid temptation. However, I > > find that default navigation is fairly uncomfortable: C-f, C-b, C-n, > > C-p. The keys are far away from each other and navigating like that is > > really stressful on the fingers. Why is this done this way? > > > > Do most people redefine these bindings? Initially I wanted to redefine > > to C-j, C-k, C-l and C-i (because they resemble the arrow keys and are > > close to the home row) but some of the most common emacs bindings are > > there. So how do the pros navigate? > > I use C-f and friends. I'm so used to it... > > But if you like to have some other cursor movement commands > w/o overwriting important emacs key bindings you can either > use these windows keys as a modifier or do some key mapping > magics with xmodmap. > > A quite common setup is to use CapsLock as the control key and > the left control key as another modifier. > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > help-gnu-emacs mailing list > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs >